Will the USA every have free healthcare?

[Kellhound]

I surely do. I live in NJ.

Thats the problem.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Yeah because let a few of these morons that frequent Carl's Jr on a regular start dropping like flies from the lack of care, and bankruptcy due to the sky rocketing ER visits, you are going to be seeing some real pain in this country primarily by most of the folks that voted for it.

Although I favor a Public Option, I am ok with keeping ACA

[Symphonic]

Insurance companies need to be not-for-profit. Then, health coverage could be universal.

[Kellhound]

Why not just ask "Will the US ever force the rich and middle class to 100% subsidize the health care of the lower classes?" Its a more accurate question.

[Sodka]

Nothing is free; especially when it comes to insurance. People will pay for it one way or another. Most people in the US don't want their taxes to go up a a lot, so that in itself will make it a lot more difficult for it to become universal.

[oxymoronic]

The studies go back a couple of years because they are quite rare but you are still just plain wrong.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2775760/
http://www.urban.org/sites/default/f...ause-of-It.PDF

These are from 2008/2009. But i'm sure there are others more recent out there too.

so why are we talking about it now that we have fixed the healthcare for the poor? the OP asks if we will ever(y) get free healthcare. and the answer is yes we already have free healthcare.

i dont get how europeans (and random dude from NJ, so he says, but he still doesnt realize the free healthcare his community receives) conveniently forget this when posting.

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Why not just ask "Will the US ever force the rich and middle class to 100% subsidize the health care of the lower classes?" Its a more accurate question.

why ask a question that is already going on?

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I got the hefty sum of 10$ when I visit the doctor, 20-30$ if it is a specialist doctor.

and many americans pay $0, and for the specialist, $0...

what was your point?

[Kellhound]

so why are we talking about it now that we have fixed the healthcare for the poor? the OP asks if we will ever(y) get free healthcare. and the answer is yes we already have free healthcare.

i dont get how europeans (and random dude from NJ, so he says, but he still doesnt realize the free healthcare his community receives) conveniently forget this when posting.

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why ask a question that is already going on?

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and many americans pay $0, and for the specialist, $0...

what was your point?

Because at this point, the US doesnt fully subsidize the health care of the lower classes.

[Crissi]

Would love it. Its not like US healthcare can get any worse.

For the "well you can get treatment immediately here", bullshit. My dad needs an angioplasty / angiogram and something else for his heart, and he is currently fighting with his insurance ot get it soon instead of months form now because the insurance is being slow and lazy. Which is rather urgent, and yet the insurance is moving slow as hell.

As opposed to say, Canada or France where he could get this done asap and wouldnt need to rely on insurance approval 3 months down the line -_-

frankly I wouldn't mind paying more in taxes to make this happen. I rather deal with that than fighting with insurance every time I get sick, and then fighting with them and the doctor when insurance decides to semi approve things slowly, so that Im still paying for shit 6 months after I got treated.

[Draco-Onis]

Nothing is free; especially when it comes to insurance. People will pay for it one way or another. Most people in the US don't want their taxes to go up a a lot, so that in itself will make it a lot more difficult for it to become universal.

Why would we need to pay more taxes? we spend more now than anyone else in the world, all we would need is to do some tax reforms and put price controls on drugs and hospitals. I mean it's no shock we pay more when hospitals charge you 500% mark up for advil and drug companies raise prices 4-7,000% overnight because they can.

[Deleted]

Would love it. Its not like US healthcare can get any worse.

For the "well you can get treatment immediately here", bullshit. My dad needs an angioplasty and something else for his heart, and he is currently fighting with his insurance ot get it soon instead of months form now because the insurance is being slow and lazy. Which is rather urgent, and yet the insurance is moving slow as hell.

As opposed to say, Canada or France where he could get this done asap and wouldnt need to rely on insurance approval 3 months down the line -_-

frankly I owuldnt mind paying more int axes to make this happen. I rather deal with that than fighting with insurance every time I get sick, and then fighting with them and the doctor when insurance decides to semi approve things slowly, so that Im sitll paying for shit 6 months after I got treated.

Ehhh, let's not go completely crazy here. We do have issues in universal healthcare nations where we have cases of treatments not being handled in the time that it should.

[Nerdgasm]

Looking at the market and people's hospital bills I think the only way for the US to implement a federal wide free healthcare system is to have a massive reform led by state interventionism on a bunch of industries.

Doing that is something really hard and would require an executive and legislative effort that I doubt anyone will see unless something really big happens (Like a big catastrophe).

[Crissi]

Ehhh, let's not go completely crazy here. We do have issues in universal healthcare nations where we have cases of treatments not being handled in the time that it should.

Which is the same in the US. GIven that the same problems are in both systems, Id rather have universal healthcare.

[Blur4stuff]

As with many things, we're waiting for the more of the boomer generation to die off. Most gen-x and younger understand that single payer is a better system and that the US needs some version of it. At some point republicans will either have to support it or be voted completely out of power.

If it doesn't happen in 2020 then 2024 will likely be when the dems unify on this and support single payer as a party. US single payer could certainly happen by 2028 or 2032 at the latest.

[Manabomb]

I would like to see healthcare paid for by the tax payers.

First though, businessmen and the rich need to realize their wealth wouldn't exist if it weren't for said tax paying consumers. That way this notion that "the rich are taking care of all the bills in the country" can die, because the reality is the consumers taking care of the rich at this point.

[Deleted]

Which is the same in the US. GIven that the same problems are in both systems, Id rather have universal healthcare.

There is pros and cons to both and sometimes they are the same, but I tend to believe that for the most part universal healthcare wins out in the end serving more people for the better.

[Akka]

Yeah, I'll go with this. It'll probably be 30 years before it's decent though. One of the Nordic countries has socialized insurance. I don't know why we just didn't copy them at the start.

Because 'muricans have this strange oxymoronic paranoia about government (and as such elect the "party of small government" which usually ends up spending more and adding more restrictrive laws than "the party of big government") and this even stranger hard-on about everything that is for-profit (and they somehow trust for-profit structures to provides social services better than a government which is supposed wasteful to begin with).

It flies in the face of everything that happens in the world and even the most basic logic, but it seems to be part of the US culture. Go figure.

[ItachiZaku]

No and it shouldn't be. It should be drastically cheaper though, but free? Not liking free all that much.

[Sodka]

Why would we need to pay more taxes? we spend more now than anyone else in the world, all we would need is to do some tax reforms and put price controls on drugs and hospitals. I mean it's no shock we pay more when hospitals charge you 500% mark up for advil and drug companies raise prices 4-7,000% overnight because they can.

Why wouldn't we pay more taxes. The money has to come from someplace to fund it. Canada has a universal healthcare system and pays a crap load in their taxes; which the majority goes to their healthcare.

[Sky High]

not as long as the current crop of politicians and special interest money keeping that from happening. healthcare should not have a profit motive behind it where you have these POS insurance companies gouging people for as much money as they can and paying out as little as possible. American pay more for way less and it's because we have to subsidize those fucking shareholders and CEO's. maybe when this next healthcare shitwich gets rammed down our throat people will wake up to how truly awful it is and make a change, but hat's doubtful.

[zenkai]

The studies go back a couple of years because they are quite rare but you are still just plain wrong.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2775760/
http://www.urban.org/sites/default/f...ause-of-It.PDF

These are from 2008/2009. But i'm sure there are others more recent out there too.

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Or just call it the Affordable Care Act.

The UnAffordable Care Act