"It's not what we don't know that gets us into trouble; it's what we know for sure that just ain't so." ~ Mark Twain
"The time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time" ~ Jesus of Nazareth
"把它放在我的屁股,爸爸" ~ Dalai Lama
Ignorance yes, it has been negotiable for thousands of years, there was such a thing as free men, you know, slaves that where free after serving their masters. This has always been the case, not knowing this is ignorance. Linking some picture that shows a slave that has been beaten doesn't change anything.
Gratz, you know two different words! How awesome of you!! Now if only you knew a little bit about the subject then you would earn yourself a sticker.
Just go and have a read on how things actually worked in ancient times, manumission isn't just a dirty word with "man" in it you know.
They joined the new feminism/sjw movement.
It does - manumission is (almost) an exclusive the privilege of the slaver-owner; since it is the slave-owner's property to deal with - by beating or by freeing.
A worker in a factory can walk away - without needing permission, and cannot legally be beaten. A prisoner often has a time-limited penalty - and beating of prisoners if they refuse to work is not legal in most countries.
People like these bandwagon activities, but they never last.
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Stains on the carpet and stains on the memory
Songs about happiness murmured in dreams
When we both of us knew how the end always is...
A leaderless movement with no defined goals?
Those rarely go anywhere.
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When slavery became institutionalized in the United States, the only slaves that became free were ones that escaped to it or were lucky enough to have an owner that willed them their freedom (didn't happen very often.) Slaves did not "buy their freedom" when slavery was in full-swing. You were born a slave, you had kids as a slave, you died a slave, and then your kids worked as slaves. For dozens of generations.
The United States outlawed importing slaves 70 years prior to slavery being ended proper. Why? Because they had a self-sustaining population of slaves. You don't get that if every other slave is buying their freedom every few years.
“Do not lose time on daily trivialities. Do not dwell on petty detail. For all of these things melt away and drift apart within the obscure traffic of time. Live well and live broadly. You are alive and living now. Now is the envy of all of the dead.” ~ Emily3, World of Tomorrow
Words to live by.
Yes, it is the owner that can dictate the terms, since it is his property, that doesn't mean that a slave could not buy himself freedom.
A worker in a factory is only free to walk away if they have the means to. If not then they have to stay in order to feed them selves and their families. A prisoner is there at the mercy of their captives, leaving isn't an option for them either.
The only thing you are left with is beating, and back in those days everyone could get a beating for numerous things.
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Yea the problem with this stance is tho that it only is about the last bit of slavery in the west. And even then it happened quite a bit, in Virginia 6% of the slaves where released in a period of 18 years. But none of this really matters as it is only the last bit of slavery what you are talking about, and not the thousands of years prior to that, they happened too you know...
You are painting a too rosy picture of slavery.
By dictating the terms the slave-owner could maximize his profit: incentivicing the slave - and getting rid of the used-up property - and getting paid for that.
A pair of shoes is all it takes to walk away, and even the shoes are optional.
Workers can do that any-time they like - without paying anything to be freed of their contract (unless they greedily signed contracts giving them money up-front).
Comparing that to slavery is ludicrous.
Everyone?
“Do not lose time on daily trivialities. Do not dwell on petty detail. For all of these things melt away and drift apart within the obscure traffic of time. Live well and live broadly. You are alive and living now. Now is the envy of all of the dead.” ~ Emily3, World of Tomorrow
Words to live by.
Money. They had money but couldn't agree on how to allocate it. Also, they got tired of feeding the homeless.
I never said it was nice and dandy? Of course the owner is going to try and maximize the gain from his property.
Yea, try and tell that to the people who actually need that job to survive so they can't leave, or they leave and their family starves. Somehow i think you did not read the entire definition of slavery.
I do not know about you, but i for one do think that these people working in sweatshops are not remunerated properly (anyone that doesn't have a livable wage i'd say is in the "same boat"). Just because someone is free to live in a house doesn't mean that they aren't slaves to their jobs. You have got to keep in mind the costs a slave owner had, they had to feed them, cloth them, have a roof over their heads and make sure that they do not succumb to illness/cared for when they are ill. In the 1700's and the 1800's in London poor people could only dream of having all these things. That doesn't mean that slaves didn't have it bad, but you do have to see things through the lenses of that time, and not how we look upon this now.a condition of having to work very hard without proper remuneration or appreciation.
Yea, pretty much everyone, maybe not a king or someone high in the church, but besides that everyone was beaten for numerous offenses
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There where slaves for thousands of years. Saying that something didn't happen for the last bit says more about America then it does about slavery in general.
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