Strength of Horde vs Alliance leaders

[TJ]

Uh , your opinion < what happened in tides of war.

Not really an opinion, it's the facts before the lore got butchered.

[Jshadowhunter]

Alliance is at the pinnacle of power.

Horde, on the other hand, is in shambles.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Not really an opinion, it's the facts before the lore got butchered.

Because Garrosh was equal to Varian when he lost his magic wolf powers doesnt mean "the lore is butchered"

[Wildmoon]

Malfurion combat feats are off-the chart. You know the dreadlord that the mage class order went through all the trouble just to defeat? The guardian of Tirisfal order was also created because of him. That guy was defeated by young Malfurion.

It's kinda awkward to count Malfurion as an alliance leader though because he has never participated in any faction war before unlike Tyrande. He is as neutral as Tirion was.

[Zulkhan]

Na Varian was miles ahead of Garrosh, he only got played down because Garrosh became the new Warchief. Lorewise, everything is in Varian's favour, basically a gladiator through and through (with Orcs) and he slayed Onyxia. The fact that Garrosh even lasted a minute with him just goes to show how terrible the writing went imo.

Ehm, no? In WotLK their skill was shown as nothing but equal. Ironically, is exactly after Garrosh became Warchief that we saw an huge gap and that was caused by Goldrinn's blessing that basically boosted Varian's stamina to 10000. Once that advantage was lost they were shown be equal again.

Let's also look at Varian's own things, like the fact that he was a gladiator fighting Orcs. Garrosh was a top-notch warrior grown up within a savage environment full of Broken, Ogres and Gronns, one good enough to be chosen as new Chieftain of the Mag'har despite his insufferable emo tendencies. That's no joke.

And Varian slaying Onyxia ain't really that an herculean of a feat. It's a worthy feat, sure, but he was backed up by pretty much an entire army to pull it off.

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Malfurion combat feats are off-the chart. You know the dreadlord that the mage class order went through all the trouble just to defeat? The guardian of Tirisfal order was also created because of him. That guy was defeated by young Malfurion.

May Knaak be blessed. /s

[Wildmoon]

May Knaak be blessed. /s

Blizzard's version is not exactly better. Malfurion 1v1'd Azshara in the original WotA.

[Zulkhan]

Blizzard's version is not exactly better. Malfurion 1v1'd Azshara in the original WotA.

Yeah I know that but it was a single event at least, one you could have justified with Malfurion getting angry af. Knaak's trilogy on the other hand is filled to the brim of overblown feats.

[Wildmoon]

Yeah I know that but it was a single event at least, one you could have justified with Malfurion getting angry af. Knaak's trilogy on the other hand is filled to the brim of overblown feats.

Goku Malf.

[My User Name]

Saurfang is known to cleave the universe in half, obviously he'll one-shot win this duel.

[Raetary]

i mean, alliance got a priestess that's sometimes getting protected by a goddess.
space goat jesus.
and basically a demigod.

then we got an angry old dog-men who always keeps getting almost killed due to his lack of control over his emotions.
a teenager.
a gnome in a meka suit.
and a council of dwarfs that can do some stuff.

both panda leaders are useless.

so, the horde has an undead ranger general with by undeath enhanced physical strength, whose skin is very hard to penetrate.
a very skilled ranger lord with sadly only one eye.
a skilled warrior.

then we have a scout.
a fat, useless, greedy, lazy piece of shit.
a young tauren who does nothing all day long.

[Deleted]

velen's able to stalemate with kil'jaeden in a beam struggle in tomb.

tyrande has elune's favor, and can call on a shield that not even a massive blast of fel can break, saurfang can't cut that with an axe.

I mean.. The thing is, she did Die in Wolfheart, By an arrow. That being said, SHE had Elune's favor, so she is one of the very very few, i can not recall anyone else, who ACTUALLY got ressurcted and brought back to life, so honestly that encounters seems to show both things, SHE is very killable, but does she stay like that?

[Ulfric Trumpcloak]

Common dude, not even a contest. Lorewise either Malfurion or Velen could solo all the horde leaders at once. Muradin should be stronger than all the horde leaders too, individually of course.

[yetgdhfgh]

Gallywix is the most powerful cause as we all know the real power comes from Money!!

Baine is prolly the most physically strongest seeing how Varok Saufang is now fucking Ancient (no offense varok)

Valen has the most world experience followed by Malfurion and Sylvanas is prolly the most sly seeing how she was Ranger General and still has her smarts.

The rest are just meh except maybe Rokhan

[Jester Joe]

Leader wise, the only person who could stand toe to toe with Malfurion was probably Thrall. (in a Horde vs Alliance type of thing)

And we know how that's going right now.

[Littleraven]

It has almost always been the Alliance that had the stronger leaders. Horde really only ever had the Orcs. Thrall and then Garrosh were both extremely powerful. But the Alliance has always had the edge. Only time I would say horde was better off was Vanilla and BC before Varian and Malfurion came back but even then Thrall was all they really had going for them. Cairne and Baine are whatever. Cairne was strong but we never got to see him do much.

Alliance is full of pretty much super heroes at this point while Horde only has Sylvanas with any actual power and even that is suspect because I feel like in a flat out fight she would lose against every Alliance leader except MAYBE Anduin because he is still not battle hardened like she is. Everyone else has been to hell and back.

[Deleted]

Sylvanas and Baine are definitely the most powerful racial leaders. Then Lor'themar Theron with his blood magics. Alliance doesn't really have much. Two healer priests and a druid who almost got killed by mere Xavius. Genn Greymane is a joke. Got Sylvanas by surprise and then escaped because he couldn't win a proper fight.

[Shiny212]

Malfurion, Tyrande and Velen are the only alliance leaders of any meaningful power. But pretty sure they'd whack all the "newbie" horde heroes that replaced all the original real heroes.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Sylvanas and Baine are definitely the most powerful racial leaders. Then Lor'themar Theron with his blood magics. Alliance doesn't really have much. Two healer priests and a druid who almost got killed by mere Xavius. Genn Greymane is a joke. Got Sylvanas by surprise and then escaped because he couldn't win a proper fight.

Lorthemar doesn't have blood magic, he knows some spellbreaker stuff but that isnt blood magic. Velen is far more than a healer priest.

[Aucald]

Lorthemar doesn't have blood magic, he knows some spellbreaker stuff but that isnt blood magic. Velen is far more than a healer priest.

Does Lor'themar know any magic? I thought he was a Ranger - pretty much a Hunter with some additional faction leader flare?

[Friendlyimmolation]

Does Lor'themar know any magic? I thought he was a Ranger - pretty much a Hunter with some additional faction leader flare?

Yes, but he apparently knows some spell breaker fighting stuff, iirc. not necessarily magic though.