Tomb of Sargeras Progression Thread

[corebit]

Method was able to bring Avatar to 28% entering P2, that's just World Class DPS. At this point no other guild is on their level except maybe Exorsus.

Also rogues are the perfect class for these two last bosses, amazing DPS and solo soak capabilities (and execute with wrist legendary). It will come down to which guild can stack the best rogues.

[ryjkur]

ScrubBusters has been an efficient guild for years.

With that said, they won't be getting world first. Nerfs played a huge part in their kill I'm sure.

We'll see. If KJ is ~800 wipe boss for Method Scrubbusters probably need ~400. Scrubbusters can do 400 pulls before next reset easily thus killing it before Method. Method probably wasted 200 pulls already because KJ was bugged/overtuned.

[Deleted]

We'll see. If KJ is ~800 wipe boss for Method Scrubbusters probably need ~400. Scrubbusters can do 400 pulls before next reset easily thus killing it before Method. Method probably wasted 200 pulls already because KJ was bugged/overtuned.

They still probably need a kill video, 2 more resets worth of gear and an extra nerf like on avatar. 3/5 bait though My friend

[Deleted]

"Wow my world 500 guilds only needed 150 pulls on Avatar, therefore we are better than Method"

[sjuk]

Method was able to bring Avatar to 28% entering P2, that's just World Class DPS. At this point no other guild is on their level except maybe Exorsus.

Also rogues are the perfect class for these two last bosses, amazing DPS and solo soak capabilities (and execute with wrist legendary). It will come down to which guild can stack the best rogues.

ye they only did 50~ splits or so aswell not that it matters

[schwarzkopf]

"Wow my world 500 guilds only needed 150 pulls on Avatar, therefore we are better than Method"

Makes sense to any rational person .... if two guilds in isolation down a boss, and one does it in 150 pulls and the other in 500 - then obviously the one that did it in 150 is better. If their gear levels are similar, then the 150 attempts shows a far better team.

[Nitros14]

Makes sense to any rational person .... if two guilds in isolation down a boss, and one does it in 150 pulls and the other in 500 - then obviously the one that did it in 150 is better. If their gear levels are similar, then the 150 attempts shows a far better team.

Doing a boss first week is way harder. All those 0.1% wipes become kills with a week of gear.

[Deleted]

Makes sense to any rational person .... if two guilds in isolation down a boss, and one does it in 150 pulls and the other in 500 - then obviously the one that did it in 150 is better. If their gear levels are similar, then the 150 attempts shows a far better team.

Well except there were no "isolation", the chinese were streaming Avatar. You also have to consider the gear level and the nerf the boss got. Method progressed avatar (for the most part) with the not nerf sear and not nerf Dark Mark, which is a pretty big deal and probably wasted them a lot of pull.
Plus the fact that they are playing 14-16h non stop, which obviously reduces performances after a while. You are going to be more efficient if those 16hours of raid are done 4hours by 4hours with a 20 hour break between each.
And having huge break between raids allow you to analyze the previous raid night and prepare the next one. For Method you kinda have to do this on their raid times, because after 16h of raid, you really Don't want to spend more hours reviewing logs.

Not to discredit SB, they are a top tier guild, but comparing them to method is silly.

[Deleted]

going to be close between Method and Scrubbusters. Scrubbusters is almost twice as efficient as Method when it comes to wipe count. They don't even day raid.

Nerfs and gear. Come on son.

[hlx]

We had the boss on sub 1% the previous reset, the gear made a much bigger difference.

I was always wondering how much is "one reset" of gear worth in terms of dps? Is it a difference between sub 1% wipe and a kill or more like sub 1% vs smooth sailing next reset?

[schwarzkopf]

Doing a boss first week is way harder.

Not sure how that is relevant ... but yeah, sure it is.

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Well except there were no "isolation", the chinese were streaming Avatar.

Indeed, however the simple statement is that 150 attempts to get it down is way better than 500 attempts to get it down is 100% true. Making other assumptions on top of that of course changes the result.

[Deleted]

Method was able to bring Avatar to 28% entering P2, that's just World Class DPS. At this point no other guild is on their level except maybe Exorsus.

Also rogues are the perfect class for these two last bosses, amazing DPS and solo soak capabilities (and execute with wrist legendary). It will come down to which guild can stack the best rogues.

Did you say world calls DPS and maybe Exorsus close to them in terms of team and skills. Mate Exorsus took world first 2 times this expansion. Even tho method cheated in NH race by blocking Serinity, they still ended 3rd. Grow some balls and stop acting like a bitchy fan boy. Just be far. Am not a fan of any but truth should always be said. Method just has more money from the boost that they sell. If it wasn't that they will barely enter top 10, more money more to pay players to join. I know that cause I saw it.

[Deleted]

I was always wondering how much is "one reset" of gear worth in terms of dps? Is it a difference between sub 1% wipe and a kill or more like sub 1% vs smooth sailing next reset?

Yeah, the difference can be pretty big. In average those top guilds gained 3 ILvls. In terms of dps it might be an overall raid dps increase up to a million if everyone gains about 50k dps. that is huge.

[Deleted]

Just checked wow-progress and not even one guild from the US killed Avatar, and you guys claim that they are part of the race?

[Deleted]

Not sure how that is relevant ... but yeah, sure it is.

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Indeed, however the simple statement is that 150 attempts to get it down is way better than 500 attempts to get it down is 100% true. Making other assumptions on top of that of course changes the result.

Well if it's at same ilevel gear/same nerfs/same information then yes. But it's never the case

[Temp name]

Just checked wow-progress and not even one guild from the US killed Avatar, and you guys claim that they are part of the race?

Invective claimed they were part of the race. We just made fun of them

[Chiasmus]

I was always wondering how much is "one reset" of gear worth in terms of dps? Is it a difference between sub 1% wipe and a kill or more like sub 1% vs smooth sailing next reset?

Normally a full reset worth of gear makes a huge difference, especially if you get lucky with certain drops. General rule of thumb is one more average item level on the raid is one percent more DPS, but sometimes it's less/more.

[Floopa]

Normally a full reset worth of gear makes a huge difference, especially if you get lucky with certain drops. General rule of thumb is one more average item level on the raid is one percent more DPS, but sometimes it's less/more.

tfw 930 trinkets are worse than 860 arcanocrystals

:blobthumbsup:

[Vorkreist]

Just checked wow-progress and not even one guild from the US killed Avatar, and you guys claim that they are part of the race?

Who would say something as silly as that?

[Tekkommo]

Just checked wow-progress and not even one guild from the US killed Avatar, and you guys claim that they are part of the race?

Everyone knows the US are never part of the race.