How are alt rights not just Neo Nazis?

[Elegiac]

Just ask yourself which group uses angry mobs and violence to suppress the free speech rights of others? Clearly that would be the Antifa, not the alt-right. Also the antifas hate jews in favor of palestinians. The hatred of Jews is primary among the Neo Nazi beliefs.

Free speech protects you from legal and political reprisal for stupid statements, not social reprisal.

Also, no. Hating Israel does not mean you hate Jews.

[Deleted]

Actually, Israel has a right wing populist government itself currently. It's absolutely legal to criticize that.

Anti semitism is something completely different.

[Endus]

But what im getting at is that there is a full on assault on any ideas that dont come from the far-left. Have you looked at social media? hollywood? regular media? its insanity right now, it was even worse on my college campus. I consider myself a centrist with more socially liberal ideals, and a moderate look on the economy. On my campus that made me hilter

This is more descriptive of your extremism than everyone else's.

For instance, I'm a market socialist, I support policies like a universal basic income and proportional salary caps for executives. I support strong progressive tax models. I'm not "a far-left extremist", though I'll freely admit I'm pretty left-wing. Most of these policies are at least being considered or tested in a lot of countries around the world; Canada's testing a basic income system right now in Ontario.

"Far-left extremism" would be things like "there should be no private property at all" or "I want a pure communist state where everyone is equal in terms of 'income'" or the like. While you might see those things occasionally raise their heads among a tiny minority on campuses, that's mostly kids pushing boundaries and being shocking, nothing more. Their way of engaging in youthful rebellion.

Pretending that fairly middle-of-the-road left-wing views are somehow "extremist" is nonsense, and paints you as the extremist.

[Deleted]

Just ask yourself which group uses angry mobs and violence to suppress the free speech rights of others? Clearly that would be the Antifa, not the alt-right. Also the antifas hate jews in favor of palestinians. The hatred of Jews is primary among the Neo Nazi beliefs.

Keep trying.

[Toogoodman]

Seems the american political system could use a lot of different parties building coalitions. And not just the donkey and the goose switching establishment every 10 years.

Wouldnt that be a dream? too bad the only garbage that could be dug up was Jill Stein and Gary Johnson, oh man, talk about choices

[Shiny212]

Lol ok.

I see you got a tad upset about the "Antifa being Fascists" Thread.

Protip: The current "regressive" left is far more inline with being Neo-Nazis than the alt-right purely through their actions.

good one

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[Anaphaze]

Threads like this are dumb. At this point this has to be trolling.

Liberals are not fascists, alt-rights are not fascists.
White supremacists exist in the alt-right, extremists exist on the left. Both sides intimidate through violence.
Both parties have manipulated the media, since like forever. You're either trolling or willfully ignorant if you think CNN is any different than Fox News. It's all being manipulated.
Both discriminate certain groups of people (many times the same group)

When did it become the cool meme to ignore history? You people (all of you people) act like this hasn't been going on on BOTH SIDES for the better part of a century, if not longer. If you base an ENTIRE political party off people in antifa or richard spencer pepe meme spouters, you're just flat out dumb. Stop reading Breitbart and NPR. Stop watching CNN and Fox News. Turn off your computer and go outside for a little while and get some real life experience.

[Zecora]

A lot of the Alt-right are racists, some of them might (as showcased by some posters on this forum) have sympathies towards, and even admire Nazism, but the Alt-Right (as a whole, since it is more of an umbrella term than a singular group) aren't Neo-Nazi's. Their ideology is different, their goals are different. They are totally, utterly repugnant, but they aren't Neo-Nazi's (once again, as a whole), so let's criticise them for their views and actions (gods know there are more than enough to work with there!), rather than sink to their level.

[Dextroden]

Free speech protects you from legal and political reprisal for stupid statements, not social reprisal.

Also, no. Hating Israel does not mean you hate Jews.

That second point is debatable. Some people have lashed antisemitism with either disliking or not wanting to support Israel.

[Elegiac]

That second point is debatable. Some people have lashed antisemitism with either disliking or not wanting to support Israel.

Yeah, they're called neo-nazis.

[Deleted]

All alt-righters are the same!!one

God, one of these stupid threads. Again.

No. There are several groups. Some of them are national socialists, some of them are nationalists, some of them are conservatives being sick of liberal radicals like you, some of them just hate SJW. But recently, the group was hijacked by "kekistani" cucks around Sargon of Akkad and similar scum, claiming national socialists were never part of the group. Of course they fucking were and they did the most work.

[Deleted]

Threads like this are dumb. At this point this has to be trolling.

It was about showing that it is not trolling to invoke neo nazism if a political group someone talks about actually really contains neo nazis.

It is a fact the alt right is host for many Neo Nazis.

[Aggrophobic]

Yes. Yes I do.

Intimidation through Violence.
Banning of certain speech.
Group/Gang like bullying of any thought not in line with their own.
Discrimination or hate put towards certain groups of people.
Manipulation/Propaganda of Media

All things done historically by fascists, also being done by the current Left.

Extremist groups on both sides like thoes things but thats not just what being a nazi is about.
You should probably go back to school becuase you seem to have missed a few classes.

[Dextroden]

Wouldnt that be a dream? too bad the only garbage that could be dug up was Jill Stein and Gary Johnson, oh man, talk about choices

Not to mention a lot of people went and voted blindly after complaining about the other side being blind voters.

[Worvon]

Intimidation through Violence.
Banning of certain speech.
Group/Gang like bullying of any thought not in line with their own.
Discrimination or hate put towards certain groups of people.
Manipulation/Propaganda of Media

You just literally described Trump's campaign.

[Zecora]

Just ask yourself which group uses angry mobs and violence to suppress the free speech rights of others? Clearly that would be the Antifa, not the alt-right. Also the antifas hate jews in favor of palestinians. The hatred of Jews is primary among the Neo Nazi beliefs.

I have yet to meet any left-wing person that hates the Jews. Detest Israel and the politics of the Isreali government, absolutely. But that is in no way, shape or form the same as hating Jews in general.

[cubby]

All things that the Regressive Left/Antifa also do

Apologist reactions is also a terrific characteristic. But I'm glad you can at least admit what the alt-right is all about.

[Dextroden]

Yeah, they're called neo-nazis.

No. They're called ProIsrael.

[cubby]

Yes. Yes I do.

Intimidation through Violence.
Banning of certain speech.
Group/Gang like bullying of any thought not in line with their own.
Discrimination or hate put towards certain groups of people.
Manipulation/Propaganda of Media

All things done historically by fascists, also being done by the current Left.

You can say all those things, but they just aren't true - not in the way you are referring. If someone is banning racist speech, that's not a bad thing. You need to keep in mind that context is very important.

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Because populism and everyone that uses it is shit, right?

Yeah, it really is, at least for the most part, and certainly how the Trumpette's and their blind legion spread it out.

[Jofe]

If the alt-right does exist than it's either too loose of a classification or it gets used too liberally. As someone else has already pointed out in this thread, if you have any opinion that is right of Noam Chomsky, you are labeled alt-right.

Whatever happened to white supremacists and neo-nazis having their own label? I don't believe all liberals are ANTIFA nor should all people with right-leaning ideas be alt-right, but fuck me for thinking logically.

Again, you're not wrong, it's become an umbrella term for everyone with disagrees with some left groups. It's the new way of defining someone as racist, or sexist, or whatever ist is bad (in an attempt to discredit someone) after those terms where watered down due to constant use. It's just important to comprehend that it really exists beyond the misuse of the term.