Anti Immigration but Not Racist

[nanook12]

The truth is that there are simply too many people in the United States and not enough resources and jobs to go around. Really both capitalism and socialism will work if the population is manageable.

Without an over abundant supply of workers, markets will be forced to adjust to paying workers a living wage. This is how capitalism is supposed to work.

With an over abundant supply of people using government welfare and social programs, the wealthy won't be taxed too highly and will keep job opportunities in said country. This is how socialism is supposed to work.

Clearly the problem arises when these two systems have a massive abundance of people.

People, especially immigrants, are quick to label others as "racists" whenever they give a hint that they are against immigration. I personally view this as a cheap card immigrants play in order to justify their coming to out lands. Illegals use this even more extensively in order to try an justify their own law breaking. Immigrants do not want to face the truth that there is a finite limit of people the US can reasonably and humanely support. It is much easier to just call people racists.

Personally, I do not care what race or religion you come from. I am against immigration from a simple numbers standpoint. I believe that liberals in general need to stop being afraid to be called racists and except that out country can only support finite amount of people.

The real problem the world over is that people irresponsibly breed too much.

[Venant]

It's pretty obvious to any non-insane person that there are limited resources to support social welfare programs.

[Deleted]

The truth is that there are simply too many people in the United States and not enough resources and jobs to go around. Really both capitalism and socialism will work if the population is manageable.

Germany is a way smaller country with 80 million people and we took 1,5 mio immigrants in 2015.

And we had no negative effect on our economy. And we have social market economy, which still works like a charm. And our economic growth is bigger than ever before.

We are the prime practical counter proof to your made up idea you cant back up.

[nanook12]

Germany is a way smaller country with 80 million people and we took 1,5 mio immigrants in 2015.

And we had no negative effect on our economy. And we have social market economy, which still works like a charm. And our economic growth is bigger than ever before.

We are the prime practical counter proof to your made up idea you cant back up.

How about your women being raped and the uptick in violence due to cultural differences colliding and not mixing?

[XDurionX]

The truth is that there are simply too many people in the United States and not enough resources and jobs to go around.

Lol? You realize that the USA is far less populated than any other G20 state (maybe except Canada). Germany for example has 8 times the population density. Immigrants don't only occupy jobs, they create jobs as well. They have to eat, live somewhere, need medical services, need transportatin etc. pp. It's not as easy as you think it is.

[TZucchini]

The truth is that there are simply too many people in the United States and not enough resources and jobs to go around.

Immigrants are twice as likely to start a business - than US born citizens.

[Deleted]

How about your women being raped and the uptick in violence due to cultural differences colliding and not mixing?

There was no raise in violence in the german society from immigration. And there is no higher "rape rate" as well.

If you want to invoke the cologne event, there actually had been more sexual offenses at oktoberfest.

[nanook12]

Lol? You realize that the USA is far less populated than any other G20 state (maybe except Canada). Germany for example has 8 times the population density. Immigrants don't only occupy jobs, they create jobs as well. They have to eat, live somewhere, need medical services, need transportatin etc. pp. It's not as easy as you think it is.

That would be fine, but you are assuming that immigrants increase demand, and therefore jobs, on a 1 to 1 correspondence ratio. Let me explain. If you let a single immigrant into your country he/she does not raise demand enough to create 1 new job. On average it you have to let in 2 immigrants in order to raise the demand enough to create one new job. That is a net loss of jobs that is unsustainable in the long term.

[Deleted]

That would be fine, but you are assuming that immigrants increase demand, and therefore jobs

They did in germany.

[Mittens]

Meh, high skill immigration is best type of immigration. Go Canada.

[nanook12]

They did in germany.

Cherry picking my statements it seems.

[Deleted]

Cherry picking my statements it seems.

No, i just show how ridiculous your claims are, as you cant back them up.

I actually have proofs the german economy still works like a charm even after we took hundreds of thousands of people.

America is a country with many untouched regions, where there are not even people. The United States of America are the richest country in the world.

And still you believe some immigrants could steal your pennies? While your country is made from immigration?

[Acidbaron]

Being against all immigrants of any kind because you think them all to be criminals and what not what you literally write is racist.

Not being for open and unrestricted immigration what no country actually has is normal and is the actual conservative platform, not the self defined retarded alt right platform what you seem to be advocating.

[Techno-Druid]

I'm pro-immigration and pro-emigration.

I'm sure American immigration into the developing world would be beneficial to economic and cultural evolution of those poorer countries .

[Seranthor]

The truth is that there are simply too many people in the United States and not enough resources and jobs to go around. Really both capitalism and socialism will work if the population is manageable.

Without an over abundant supply of workers, markets will be forced to adjust to paying workers a living wage. This is how capitalism is supposed to work.

With an over abundant supply of people using government welfare and social programs, the wealthy won't be taxed too highly and will keep job opportunities in said country. This is how socialism is supposed to work.

Clearly the problem arises when these two systems have a massive abundance of people.

People, especially immigrants, are quick to label others as "racists" whenever they give a hint that they are against immigration. I personally view this as a cheap card immigrants play in order to justify their coming to out lands. Illegals use this even more extensively in order to try an justify their own law breaking. Immigrants do not want to face the truth that there is a finite limit of people the US can reasonably and humanely support. It is much easier to just call people racists.

Personally, I do not care what race or religion you come from. I am against immigration from a simple numbers standpoint. I believe that liberals in general need to stop being afraid to be called racists and except that out country can only support finite amount of people.

The real problem the world over is that people irresponsibly breed too much.

Interesting, Are you volunteering for Carousel?

[nanook12]

Meh, high skill immigration is best type of immigration. Go Canada.

Agreed. Smart immigration depending on the current situation is what America needs. The cost of plumbers is getting too high for people to afford? Then we better let in a ton of immigrant plumbers to push down wages so plumbing is affordable again. Construction workers not getting paid enough to survive? Cut off the flow of immigrants that are construction workers in their country and watch the wages of US construction workers rise to an acceptable level.

[McFuu]

Seeing as America has an abundance of open jobs, I have no idea where you are getting the whole not enough resources shit from.

[XDurionX]

That would be fine, but you are assuming that immigrants increase demand, and therefore jobs, on a 1 to 1 correspondence ratio. Let me explain. If you let a single immigrant into your country he/she does not raise demand enough to create 1 new job. On average it you have to let in 2 immigrants in order to raise the demand enough to create one new job. That is a net loss of jobs that is unsustainable in the long term.

I don't know about the US, but for germany it is an established fact that every immigrant is a net gain for the economy and that they pay more in taxes than they receive from the state.

[kail]

The truth is that there are simply too many people in the United States and not enough resources and jobs to go around. Really both capitalism and socialism will work if the population is manageable.

Source? Bring in more people, demand rises, job availability adjusts.

[Hisholyness]

I wonder how many people are going to go to environmental science argument that "Invasive species are more likely to thrive than local species"