Garrosh - Melee Warrior - Warcraft Hero

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Mekkatorque is technically a Warrior. In the lore, he even wields a named mace, Wrenchcalibur

ya no, " technically" a warrior does not make him a warrior.



hes an engineer.

[Thimagryn]

hes an engineer.

He is both.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Gelbin_Mekkatorque


Race Gnome (Humanoid)
Character class Warrior
Occupation High Tinker of Gnomeregan, Inventor, Tinker

[Lorgar Aurelian]

He is both.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Gelbin_Mekkatorque

it doesn't work that way he lore characters don't fall into class roles just because the wiki says hes a warrior does not make him a warrior, hes a engineer he goes around in a mech not hitting people with his wrench theirs a reason why hes always mounted when in combat and its not because gnome warriors are as strong as cows.

[Thimagryn]

it doesn't work that way he lore characters don't fall into class roles just because the wiki says hes a warrior does not make him a warrior, hes a engineer he goes around in a mech not hitting people with his wrench theirs a reason why hes always mounted when in combat and its not because gnome warriors are as strong as cows.

Then you've obviously not read his lore. He's even mentioned other Gnome warriors in his short story, Cut Short.

"But these years of hardship and survival amongst their burlier allies had, for better or for worse, given the gnomes a combatant edge. Gelbin saw more gnomes wielding swords, donning armor, and talking back to Tall Folk than ever before."

As for himself, I don't see why being an Engineer suddently makes him not a warrior. He's shown wielding a mace and shield in Tinkertown since forever, how is that not indicative that he's a melee fighter? Being smart and using technology is not mutually exclusive to fighting in melee combat.

He fights outside using his mech too. Here's another line from the canon story, Cut Short.

"Gelbin stumbled backward into the axle, feeling the tensely wound spring against his spine. He still had the wrench in his belt, and he lifted it to parry Sicco's blade." Or this line "Then Gelbin smashed his fist into the trogg's mouth, shattering the front teeth and driving pieces of bone into the back of its throat."

So yes, he fights outside his mech suit, and is even capable without the use of his main weapon.

And no, I didn't say anything about him being stronger than Tauren. You originally asked what Gnome lore characters are Warriors, and if you actually knew Gnome lore and all the visual reference we've had in and outside of the game, you would know Gelbin is a capable warrior.

[melzas]

it doesn't work that way he lore characters don't fall into class roles just because the wiki says hes a warrior does not make him a warrior, hes a engineer he goes around in a mech not hitting people with his wrench theirs a reason why hes always mounted when in combat and its not because gnome warriors are as strong as cows.

There are plenty of gnome warriors in warcraft's lore, just a have a look at Gnome starting area and you will see plenty of NPCs that are clearly warriors, same with AV for example and many other places. Sure, there might not be any iconic gnome warrior heroes but it doesn't mean they don't exist. In the end it doesn't really matter to a dragon if he is being attacked by a Tauren or a Gnome, they are both tiny to him anyway.

And before they've put Mekkatorque in a mech he was always depicted as a warrior mounted on his strider.

[Seramore]

ITT: pointless arguments about what is considered a "warrior" and whether they're tanky or not.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

There are plenty of gnome warriors in warcraft's lore, just a have a look at Gnome starting area and you will see plenty of NPCs that are clearly warriors, same with AV for example and many other places. Sure, there might not be any iconic gnome warrior heroes but it doesn't mean they don't exist. In the end it doesn't really matter to a dragon if he is being attacked by a Tauren or a Gnome, they are both tiny to him anyway.

And before they've put Mekkatorque in a mech he was always depicted as a warrior mounted on his strider.

Random Npcs are worthless from a lore stand point unless there quest givers like the old class quest such as lady liadrian. they might as well not exist other then for game machinics. He had always been on his strider unlike every other warrior ever. Gnome warriors are ether different from a lore stand point (using mechs and tech) or non existence.

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Then you've obviously not read his lore. He's even mentioned other Gnome warriors in his short story, Cut Short.

"But these years of hardship and survival amongst their burlier allies had, for better or for worse, given the gnomes a combatant edge. Gelbin saw more gnomes wielding swords, donning armor, and talking back to Tall Folk than ever before."

As for himself, I don't see why being an Engineer suddently makes him not a warrior. He's shown wielding a mace and shield in Tinkertown since forever, how is that not indicative that he's a melee fighter? Being smart and using technology is not mutually exclusive to fighting in melee combat.

He fights outside using his mech too. Here's another line from the canon story, Cut Short.

"Gelbin stumbled backward into the axle, feeling the tensely wound spring against his spine. He still had the wrench in his belt, and he lifted it to parry Sicco's blade." Or this line "Then Gelbin smashed his fist into the trogg's mouth, shattering the front teeth and driving pieces of bone into the back of its throat."

So yes, he fights outside his mech suit, and is even capable without the use of his main weapon.

And no, I didn't say anything about him being stronger than Tauren. You originally asked what Gnome lore characters are Warriors, and if you actually knew Gnome lore and all the visual reference we've had in and outside of the game, you would know Gelbin is a capable warrior.

This whole thing started from a statement that gnomes and warrior are just as strong. From a lore stand point gnomes are not the same kind of warriors as cows orcs or even dwarfs. You could say a gnome could be a warrior from a gnome stand point but from an over arching class stand point a gnome warrior would not be the same as a Orc cow human ect. Just as gnome hunters use mech pets undead hunters use zombie pets and night elfs use normal Beast. You can put them on the same category as warriors but they are not real warriors as sun walkers are not real palidans.

[melzas]

This is not a thread about gnome warriors so I will leave it at that.

Anyway, this is not the first time that Blizzard decided to go with unexpected role for a hero, we had Rexxar who no one expected to be a tank, Medivh who has pretty much zero damage potential and Sylvanas who is a sieging specialist. I don't mind Garrosh being a solo tank, but I'm not suprised people are unhappy with this and were expecting something more among the lines of damage Varian or Sonya.

[Thimagryn]

You can put them on the same category as warriors but they are not real warriors as sun walkers are not real palidans.

Honestly don't know what game you're playing to even say that. Yes they are the same, yes they are real. Are they all on the same level in lore? Well we have standard humans standing toe to toe against literal gods and demi-gods so I see no reason why a gnome would be any different. It's all a fantasy world where nothing makes sense and giant Pandas can become the leader of an assassin guild or a gnome performs feats of strength that impresses Odyn enough to let them into his halls as his greatest champion. If you choose to play that gnome warrior, then that is your story and they are true warriors that are on the level of every other warrior; otherwise it would have been as simple as disallowing gnomes the option for Warriors just like Blood Elves prior to Cataclysm.

Heroes is the craziest dream team brawler that makes no lore sense at all, so a Gnome Warrior would fit in just as well as Murky does. Of course, it just makes more sense to have them riding in mechs or vehicles since that is their fantasy.

[Syegfryed]

This whole thing started from a statement that gnomes and warrior are just as strong. From a lore stand point gnomes are not the same kind of warriors as cows orcs or even dwarfs. You could say a gnome could be a warrior from a gnome stand point but from an over arching class stand point a gnome warrior would not be the same as a Orc cow human ect. Just as gnome hunters use mech pets undead hunters use zombie pets and night elfs use normal Beast. You can put them on the same category as warriors but they are not real warriors as sun walkers are not real palidans.

so you want try separeted lore, from gameplay mechanics, then Warriors by gameplay mechanis can be tanks

there is even a Spec on warriors who is tank, i didn't get your point about this stuff, just because he is not wearing any armor? doesn't matter at all, again, just like berserkers in rpgs, or even in wow(you just need to do a transmog rofl) you can endure damage as tank without heavy armor

and sunwalker are real paladins, the only difference is their faith

[docterfreeze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blgId2NnU8c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1SdVC2mrz8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slzQ...youtu.be&t=55s

I don't know where they got the "solo tank" idea from any of that. All I see is bruiser material. Shouts, enrages, executes... i'm really sad.

[NoiseTank13]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blgId2NnU8c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1SdVC2mrz8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slzQ...youtu.be&t=55s

I don't know where they got the "solo tank" idea from any of that. All I see is bruiser material. Shouts, enrages, executes... i'm really sad.

Well too bad you aren't on the Blizzard development team then.

Because god fucking forbid Blizzard takes any liberties with their IP when it suits the game.

[docterfreeze]

Well too bad you aren't on the Blizzard development team then.

Because god fucking forbid Blizzard takes any liberties with their IP when it suits the game.

When a character already has a fully fleshed out fighting style, it makes no sense to give them a kit that completely ignores it. Especially when that fighting style would already add new mechanics to the game.

They had no problems copy/pasting tracer, genji, zarya for example.

[NoiseTank13]

When a character already has a fully fleshed out fighting style, it makes no sense to give them a kit that completely ignores it. Especially when that fighting style would already add new mechanics to the game.

They had no problems copy/pasting tracer, genji, zarya for example.

Because they had a kit in a different game they could port over easily. You never played as Garrosh in any game aside from Hearthstone, and the one time you interact him in the game's environment, he's kinda beefy to beat on.

I'm sorry his kit didn't match your headcanon of 'RAWR EDGELORD DRINKING BLOOD FROM SKULLS RECKLESS BRUISER' but his current kit objectively fits him just fine.

[AwkwardSquirtle]

I'm actually fine with his kit. The disruption all looks good fun, there's a hearthstone reference in armour up, and he has the ability to smash things.
I like the sha-touched idea, and there's some fun they could have had with that, but this is pretty cool too.
Why not add sha-touched garrosh later? He'd be mechanically so different as to be indistinguishable, and there's clearly design space there. It's not like the lore angle makes any sense, they could easily take him from a different timeway and have him fight alongside himself.

[Arrowstormen]

Sha-Garrosh would have been a weird choice, I don't see why people are surprised this is how he is.

[Stormcall]

Because they had a kit in a different game they could port over easily. You never played as Garrosh in any game aside from Hearthstone, and the one time you interact him in the game's environment, he's kinda beefy to beat on.

I'm sorry his kit didn't match your headcanon of 'RAWR EDGELORD DRINKING BLOOD FROM SKULLS RECKLESS BRUISER' but his current kit objectively fits him just fine.

Sylvanas is kinda beefy to beat on if you try to attack her, so that's kinda irrelevant. Fucking ALL raid bosses are kinda "beefy" to beat on, but the STYLE you see when Garrosh fights is nothing like this kit...objectively.

[NoiseTank13]

Sylvanas is kinda beefy to beat on if you try to attack her, so that's kinda irrelevant. Fucking ALL raid bosses are kinda "beefy" to beat on, but the STYLE you see when Garrosh fights is nothing like this kit...objectively.

Q: Get over here and fight me coward.
W: Hah you bleed! It sustains me!
E: Weakling! (Ally) Get in there maggot!
R1: Don't ignore me- FIGHT ME COWARD!
R2: You are going nowhere!
Active: In your face!

Which one doesn't suit him, again?

[RH92]

I don't understand the outrage over him being a Tank. He never struck me as a quick and decisive fighter, more like a tough and relentless bastard.

Not only does the kit fit this fighting style, but it also strengthens the notion of commander as Tanks decide when to engage.

Also the argument he never protected anybody. Wasn't the sole reason behind the expansionism to provide more resources and protection to his people? Even if you ignore that statement, hell, most Tanks in HotS are bad guys anyway!

If people want to play a dumb and hotheaded beast, you already have a Hero for that - The Butcher.

Especially when that fighting style would already add new mechanics to the game.

For example?

[docterfreeze]

I don't understand the outrage over him being a Tank. He never struck me as a quick and decisive fighter, more like a tough and relentless bastard.

Not only does the kit fit this fighting style, but it also strengthens the notion of commander as Tanks decide when to engage.

Also the argument he never protected anybody. Wasn't the sole reason behind the expansionism to provide more resources and protection to his people? Even if you ignore that statement, hell, most Tanks in HotS are bad guys anyway!

If people want to play a dumb and hotheaded beast, you already have a Hero for that - The Butcher.



For example?

Grappling for one. Both in game and in novels garrosh was a skilled unarmed combatant, but had more of a "Tavern brawler" style, using improvised weapons, grapples, and punches. Another could be an enrage mechanic similar to gnar in league of legends where he builds up a rage meter the more damage he deals or the more damage he takes. When the bar fills his abilities change slightly until the rage meter empties. I could also see him as the first hero who has a chargeable attack. His ingame fighting style involves overpowering his foe to break their defense, so it could work like this:

Q: Annihilate. Press the button and let go instantly: low damage and no effect. Hold the button for 1 second: Higher damage and short knockback. Hold button for 2 seconds: Highest damage and stuns.

There are a lot of ways to make melee characters unique and still be tailored for their characters. Just look at league.

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Because they had a kit in a different game they could port over easily. You never played as Garrosh in any game aside from Hearthstone, and the one time you interact him in the game's environment, he's kinda beefy to beat on.

I'm sorry his kit didn't match your headcanon of 'RAWR EDGELORD DRINKING BLOOD FROM SKULLS RECKLESS BRUISER' but his current kit objectively fits him just fine.

Headcanon... i've heard that word so many times today that I had to look up what the hell it meant. No, everything I suggest about garrosh stays true to his character.

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Q: Come here so I can E you
W: Hah you bleed! It sustains me! (This one's fine)
E: I'm not strong enough to fight you, lemme just toss you to my allies or to a tower so they can do the dirty work.
R1: HEY! stand still while my allies kill you.
R2: Will my tickling slow you down?
Active: In your face! (this one is alright too.)

Which one doesn't suit him, again?

Fixed them

Take a look at the hypocrisy between varian and garrosh. Varian gets shalamayne and it works like it does in WoW, useable as a 2h sword or two one handed swords. He also gets the attack he used to kill the fel reaver in the broken shore as an ultimate. Sure, they give him a shield, something not seen in WoW, but a little innovation doesn't hurt. This is fantasy done right.

Garrosh comes in and entire his kit revolves around tossing people into bad situations and setting up for allies, something he never did. Terrible fantasy.

Tanks in hots are basically supports without a heal. They're all about setting up kills for their allies. Does not fit garrosh whatsoever.