Do You Unironically Believe Jaina Could Be Evil?

[Onikaroshi]

That was after the fact. It's all well and good that they all decided afterwards he needed to be stopped, but what about when they were all just standing and watching while he did it? How do you justify that?

He didn't exactly tweet out "Hey guys! Bombing Theramore today, lolol." if more knew they probably would have tried to stop him, but they didn't know.

[Flurryfang]

It is really all a big maybe. Her current character can go both ways. She can either do something good with her new individuality or she can do something evil and start her own evil scheme.

Or she might even become a sylvanas-ish character, who does good for the alliance even though it might get her closer to getting her ultimate revenge on the Horde.

[Darththeo]

Look, i don't care to have this silly back and forth because it never leads to anything. The difference is Sylvanas is a conspiring cold blooded killer and Jaina isn't. She is just angered at the faction that killed her friends despite her having helped them countless times. How many times has Sylvanas assisted alliance players? Not once.

Yes, it is biased, but it's the horde players beeing biased.

There is no horde bias in the player base.

[LaserChild9]

He didn't exactly tweet out "Hey guys! Bombing Theramore today, lolol." if more knew they probably would have tried to stop him, but they didn't know.

No, he actually went "Hey guys, Go and ambush the Blue dragons escorting the Focusing Iris to a secure location and steal it. I needs to build me a HUGE bomb to blow up Theramore with"

How much more do you think they needed to know?

[PhantasmagoriaX]

So far isn't that just Arthas?

and Kael'thas Sunstrider

[Armourboy]

Blizzard can make anyone evil, but is she? Not right now. She is just understandably ticked.

[Gadzooks]

Justification for evil acts doesn't make them not evil acts. One could argue Sylvanas is never shown doing anything evil along those lines. (Which she isn't, but she definitely ACTS evil.)

If you murder a person in cold blood vs. murdering a man who birthed a man who wronged you, it's still evil. Jaina is justified in her belief, but her actions against the whole of the Horde are still evil because it's attacking innocent people for what people who were not innocent did.

Wrathgate called, said to say hello.

Edit: Gilneas just texted, said to say hello, too.

[Deleted]

There is no horde bias in the player base.

Sarcasm! Love it!

[Darththeo]

Sarcasm! Love it!

More pointing out you don't understand what bias is.

[Deleted]

Jaina is either mind controlled or replaced by an imposter. And of all the people she didn't flip a coin in the contain in dala. She is not the real jaina. We need to rescue her.

[Irian]

Could be? Absolutely, but only because I have zero faith in Blizzard's writers.

In any sensible work of fiction a character as pitiable as Jaina would be a troubled hero that goes through loss after loss and emerges from it a cold but - at her core - noble heart that has Azeroth's best interests at heart...even if she has trouble keeping herself from despising half of its defenders.

But Blizzard has proven many times in the past that they can go full retard when it comes to storytelling and there's no way of telling where a character can go. Illidan, the star character of Legion, is a beautifully terrible proof of what I'm saying.

In short...sensibly no she's not an evil character, she's a tragic victim of war. But this is Blizzard and Blizzard writes fiction like a bad comic book.

[Deleted]

More pointing out you don't understand what bias is.

More pointing out you are wrong.

[Darththeo]

More pointing out you are wrong.

Projecting won't help you as you don't understand the concept of evil.

[Deleted]

Projecting won't help you as you don't understand the concept of evil.

The concept of evil is open to interpretation. But, Jaina didn't show intention to kill anyone, and i will place my goal for evil in wanting to actively murder people.

[Low Hanging Fruit]

I think she is bitter. Not necessarily evil.

[Hey There Guys its Metro]

I expect we will find out next expansion either way. She didn't take this whole one off for no reason. Naybe we see a bit of arthas too becauze of it.

[Utigarde]

Nope, she's a fairly reasonable character, for the situations she's been in. Trauma can affect people without making them a bad person. Wow. Shocking.

[Deleted]

she is/was evil if youre horde.
otherwise no. she just went full bitch-mode, because alliance is too friendly towards horde. cant blame her.
im pretty sure she went home to kul tiras to cool down, and realized that theres a much greater evil out there, and the horde may even be an important ally.

[faithbane]

to who and why should she apologize?

- For letting Alliance military use her city that she declared was not going to be involved in military conflict as a military base? Then crying "the victim"
- Planning the invasion of Durotar with the alliance leaders and assigning Theramore as the launching site in that?
- Destruction of a peaceful Tauren camp that alliance soldiers used her base to assault from?
- Singlehandedly deciding the purge all blood elves out of Dalaran without even consulting the 6? Killing and jailing innocents in the process that were not even involved with the crime. No fucking due process or justice whatsoever
- Blatant baseless prejudice and racism? Even double sin worthy since she had fought side by side with the horde to protect the the world tree from the burning legion, knows Thrall personally and witnessed how all horde or not savages or evil.
- Even after fighting side by side with the horde all the way down to Garrosh's chambers and seeing how the bulk of the horde turned against him and didn't share his values; continues her hatred and vendetta against the horde. Even suggests to Varian that they should turn against and attack the horde that they fought together with to overthrow Garrosh!

Should I go on? Honestly, most of these are bad writing and not character flaws or decisions she needs to apologize for but THEY HAPPENED. Jaina after such history with the horde and Thrall personally turning against them in such way is imfreakingposssible. Jaina <3 Thrall threads are not so far in the distant past to forget..
She takes ZERO responsibility for letting alliance use Theramore as a military base. Even after alliance soldiers launch an attack on Durotar and horde finds secret plans exposing alliance plans to use Theramora as a launching point for an invasion, Jaina cries innocence.. Lets be clear, what Garrosh did was a retaliation and not an unprovoked attack.. Yes the way he launched the attach and the weapon he used was horrible but he didn't start that conflict.

Fast forwarding a bit.. can't put his personal conflict with horde aside even as fucking demons are raining from the sky to destroy the whole planet?

Come on.. Honestly freaking Jaina supporters are worse then Trump's when it comes to denial.

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she is/was evil if youre horde.
otherwise no. she just went full bitch-mode, because alliance is too friendly towards horde. cant blame her.
im pretty sure she went home to kul tiras to cool down, and realized that theres a much greater evil out there, and the horde may even be an important ally.

Kul tiras is not her home. She let horde into the city to kill the leader of Kul tiras who also her father. I think that nice blend of patricide and betrayal of country should disqualify you from calling it your home and get you banished for life the least..

but of course clueless blizz writers will who messed up Jaina's story so much that they might even put her on the throne of kul tiras next expansion.. fuck logic

[Andromedes]

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Nice bias you've got there.