Russa, Russia, Russia.....

[Machismo]

I am not arguing against that point, Trump absolutely wears his heart on his sleeve. I'm talking about policy based on emotions, like Immigration, wage gap, LGBT ect.

Since when is equality under the law (LGBT) an emotion? I believe they call it the 14th Amendment. It's a shame that conservatives seem to hate freedom so much.

Also, most of the bullshit Trump has been pushing was based on emotion, including the border wall, his immigration policy, and his attempts to stifle the free markets and capitalism.

[Edge-]

I'm talking about policy based on emotions, like Immigration, wage gap, LGBT ect.

You think Trump doesn't make "policy" based decisions off of emotion?

[Cthulhu 2020]

Grand jury.

Pre dawn no knock raid.

Things they didn't even use for Nixxon.

How's that working out for you guys?

[Jeezy911]

Since when is equality under the law (LGBT) an emotion? I believe they call it the 14th Amendment. It's a shame that conservatives seem to hate freedom so much.

Also, most of the bullshit Trump has been pushing was based on emotion, including the border wall, his immigration policy, and his attempts to stifle the free markets and capitalism.

Your idea of freedom is seriously messed up. Taking from one group and giving to the other forcefully through the government is not freedom.

[Edge-]

Your idea of freedom is seriously messed up. Taking from one group and giving to the other forcefully through the government is not freedom.

What is being taken from anyone and given to someone else?

[Jeezy911]

You think Trump doesn't make "policy" based decisions off of emotion?

He may, you may want to point specifically at such policy, but I would probably be against it if it is factually hurtful to the nation as a whole.

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What is being taken from anyone and given to someone else?

Pretty much every government entitlement program in the history of mankind.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Pretty much every government entitlement program in the history of mankind.

There might be a reason why every modern, civilized and advanced western nation has strong social safety net programs... and the shit hole countries have complete freedom and no obligation for taxes, and no minimum wage laws.

You're welcome to move to a country where you don't have to pay taxes that go to poor people. Of course, those poor people will likely steal everything you own within a week since they have absolutely nothing, and their only way of getting anything is by stealing it.

But by all means, please, move to another country where the government won't take your money. I'm sure you'll be a warlord there and nobody would ever dare to steal from you.

[Deleted]

So I ignored the two propaganda sources. Then comes Bloomberg. So the article is about an organization formed in protest to the government manipulating intelligence organizations and lying to justify the Iraq war. All they have done I could easily find is this On August 3, 2010, VIPS publicly released another "MEMORANDUM FOR: The President" stating that the government of Israel has a long history of deceiving the United States Government and warning the administration that Israel was likely to unilaterally attack Iran "as early as this month." and apparently this bit.

So we have an organization of questionable authority who is making statements about this case where I don't even know what access to the evidence they've had. They are attempting to claim that the DNC fabricated the evidence and our intelligence agencies were incapable of uncovering this. So I'm supposed to believe that our intelligence agencies that were able to directly investigate it couldn't uncover this but an outside organization without access could?

You are almost spot on, except for last bit. Nobody had access to investigate it. Not FBI, not any other intelligence organization. DNC hired one company that did investigation then wiped computers so nobody else could do it.

It could be anything. But there are also facts: possible leaker was killed shortly after leak. Could be coincidence, could be cover up.

We'll probably never know who actually did it. All we have are heavily politicized opinions by people with agenda. On all sides.

[Machismo]

Your idea of freedom is seriously messed up. Taking from one group and giving to the other forcefully through the government is not freedom.

Where did I say I wanted to take from one group, and give to another in that comment?

I argued for less government, not more.

[Jeezy911]

There might be a reason why every modern, civilized and advanced western nation has strong social safety net programs... and the shit hole countries have complete freedom and no obligation for taxes, and no minimum wage laws.

You're welcome to move to a country where you don't have to pay taxes that go to poor people. Of course, those poor people will likely steal everything you own within a week since they have absolutely nothing, and their only way of getting anything is by stealing it.

But by all means, please, move to another country where the government won't take your money. I'm sure you'll be a warlord there and nobody would ever dare to steal from you.

No thanks, I figured you would prefer somewhere like Venezuela, a socialist utopia, but I will stay here.

[maomoa]

No thanks, I figured you would prefer somewhere like Venezuela, a socialist utopia, but I will stay here.

OK. What is your ideal society? What is the best function of government? How should we organize society?

[Orbitus]

No thanks, I figured you would prefer somewhere like Venezuela, a socialist utopia, but I will stay here.

Considering Venezuela isn't failing because it is socialist, I don't know why you are bringing it up.

[Jeezy911]

OK. What is your ideal society? What is the best function of government? How should we organize society?

Lets see, got about 5 hours?

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Considering Venezuela isn't failing because it is socialist, I don't know why you are bringing it up.

Oh that's right, it's not democratic socialism it's a different kind right?

[maomoa]

Considering Venezuela isn't failing because it is socialist, I don't know why you are bringing it up.

Because he lacks the ability to come up with thoughts that haven't been previously parroted on far-right blog. You should have seen the 180 he did on Paul Ryan as soon as the Russian bots started attacking him.

[Xeones]

You are almost spot on, except for last bit. Nobody had access to investigate it. Not FBI, not any other intelligence organization. DNC hired one company that did investigation then wiped computers so nobody else could do it.

It could be anything. But there are also facts: possible leaker was killed shortly after leak. Could be coincidence, could be cover up.

We'll probably never know who actually did it. All we have are heavily politicized opinions by people with agenda. On all sides.

That isn't a fact, that is a known conspiracy cooked up by Fox working with the white house.

[Grapemask]

Oh god, this is about to devolve into "Socialism is evil because the Nazis were socialists" levels of stupid, isn't it.

[maomoa]

Lets see, got about 5 hours?

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Oh that's right, it's not democratic socialism it's a different kind right?

I just don't think you have anything you can't fit into a one liner. You're so quick to attack someone as a pinko-commie for thinking fire trucks are nice, but whatever takes 5 hours to explain must be filled with tons of regulation and rules.

[Orbitus]

Oh that's right, it's not democratic socialism it's a different kind right?

No, Venezuela failed because they put most of their fucking economy in oil. When oil bottomed out, their economy basically fucking crashed. Again, their country failing has NOTHING to do with socialism. But continue ignoring facts. You are good at that.

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You are almost spot on, except for last bit. Nobody had access to investigate it. Not FBI, not any other intelligence organization. DNC hired one company that did investigation then wiped computers so nobody else could do it.

It could be anything. But there are also facts: possible leaker was killed shortly after leak. Could be coincidence, could be cover up.

We'll probably never know who actually did it. All we have are heavily politicized opinions by people with agenda. On all sides.

Definitely not a fucking fact, but continue ignoring all of our intelligence agencies, the house investigation, the senate investigation, a couple of state investigations, 2 grand juries, England, France, AND Germany. Because ALL of them stated the same thing, Russia hacked our election and the DNC.

[Shalcker]

All of the current experts? Even ones in Trump's own administration that say it happened? These people are obviously computer illiterate.

They don't "show it", they claim it. Those experts given in op actually show their work.

[Skroe]

Bloomberg doesnt talk about the topic you write about.

The other two sources are propaganda pages.

Got it in one.