Car ploughs through protesters at Charlottesville Alt-Right rally

[Bullettime]

I can imagine.


Let's assume they didn't have any such specialists on hand then. That still leaves two options from my list:

1. Get in the middle and form a physical barrier between the two sides. This could be dangerous for the police if things really go south and one or both sides is determined to have a fight. In that case...
2. Leave the judge-sanctioned Alt-Right protest (mostly) alone*, and herd Antifa away. You know, the guys running around in black and a notable lack of riot gear. When MSNBC staff shriek that you were "defending nazis", act dignified and say you were defending Charlotsville from a potentially deadly riot, freedom of speech, blah blah blah.

There was so few Antifa or BLM representatives there they could largely be ignored. It was 99% Cville and neighboring communities representing the counter protesters. It was a pretty big deal around here so a lot of people showed up to speak out against it.

The police also had to take a step back for a short time because they had just got run down by goons in riot equipment trying to make just that shield. When the police had to tell them the show was over, they went fucking ballistic and rushed through the crowd, including the police.

[Skroe]

I doubt Trump is going to want to classify it as terrorism. It wasn't the scary people from other countries.

Oh of course. I want Trump to get worked into knots about why the scary browns from other countries are terrorists but the scary whites form our own aren't.

[LilSaihah]

So basically they're political nihilists.

They could at least not vote. Then we wouldn't have people like Trump in charge.

Why wouldn't a nihilist vote for nihilism?

[Deleted]

When did I say "8 or something?"

You are trying to avoid responsibility for your comments by saying you "heard' it somewhere else. You still said them on this forum, which means you were willing to put your name on it. If you can't back it up, fine. At least have the decency to admit you are shitposting, and just trying to piss people off.

I'm not shitposting. You are.

Osmeric said:

I am assuming he was associated with the alt-right protesters. If so, he's pretty much doomed.

I said:

Yes, you're assuming. I also heard that he was some lefty lunatic that didn't realize this was his own crowd.

[Elegiac]

So basically they're political nihilists.

They could at least not vote. Then we wouldn't have people like Trump in charge.

This is ultimately the chickens hatched from the Reagan Revolution coming home to roost. The government has been utterly crippled by conservatism and pseudo-conservatism in the form of the Third Way, and due to that a lot of people are disenchanted with the system and fall prey to ideologies that run counter to it.

[Deleted]

To start with, it's racist.

Is it?
That makes the NAACP racist to you get that right?

It's un-American. It's an assault on our very most fundamental national principles. America is a multi-cultural, multi-ethnic society. Over the course of the past 250 years, ethno-nationalist nativism has been a recurring theme, always stamped out. Irisih, Italians, Asians, Germans, Eastern Europeans were all discriminated against. And we overcome it, because the very center of the American Way of life is that we are stronger together. It is the essence of our original national motto: E Pluribus Unum. Out of many, one.

Time for some american history, for 200 of those 250 years, the United states had an explicitly racist and discriminatory immigration policy.
It's the current policy that's the aberration, not the Rule.

America is a country founded on an idea and principles, not on racial, ethnic or religious lines.

Given the serious discrimination of non WASPS, it's fairly clear that it wasn't the home for everyone, it was the home for WASP's.

It's intrinsically more dangerous and destabilizing when the country is 77% white (62% if you exclude Hispanics who identify as White).

Of course - Maybe someone should tell the 23% or 38%.
Maybe one shouldn't bandy about words like 'White privilege' lest White people starts thinking about themselves as a polity.

No it's not. It's what they actually are. There are thousands of Americans who actively identify with the Nazi Party, by name. They form the nucleus of the Alt-Right. It's like an onion. There are different layers.

In a nation of 300 million, i quake in my bootsteps at ' thousands of nazis'.

And if we were a country that was 10% every ethnic/racial group, you'd have a point. When it's the majority of the country's racial background in question, and it's put against the historic backdrop of White privilege and it's ongoing erosion as we transition to a more merit based society, it is absolutely far worse.

Identity politics is no more or less right or wrong depending on how large the group is.
Either all identity politics is wrong, or it isn't.
As for 'transition towards a more merit based society' there is in fact compelling evidence that's wrong - You are transitioning towards a less meritorious society.

You do understand a key reason Trump was elected was a feeling, by the deplorables, that the diverse, the educated and the urban were rapidly downsizing the rural and the white out of means of economic and societal privileges? This is at the very center of Trumps statements about "forgotten people". It's dog whistling to them.

What economic privileges?
The US has run a trade and migration policy that's privileged the educated and the urban for decades Skroe, its them with economic privileges.
Oh and since when is it wrong to vote for your own economical interests?
That's basically how democracy works.
Oh and you are going to have to explain what 'social' privileges the 'deplorables' have?
Apparently it doesn't include basic social respect.

I don't think you quite understand that the leaders of these people actually identify as Nazis.

They can't conjure support for their memes out of thin air.
The Hitler did nothing wrong meme isn't about extolling the virtues of Nazism, but to indicate their ZFG about ebing called a nazi.
That's the problem with calling people who aren't nazis, Nazis, they cease to care.

[Machismo]

I'm not shitposting. You are.

Osmeric said:

I said:

And I asked you to back up your claims. So, here we are.

[Canpinter]

In all seriousness, that lack of respect is symptomatic of the current political climate we live in.

There is a reason I refer to the majority of these people as South Park Republicans, and that is because South Park and similar forms of media have normalised aggressive political agnosticism. If you support either traditional political practices or espouse a sincere effort at reform, all you are good for is a target of mockery. People who care about things, regardless of what they care about, are to be lambasted and held as equally reprehensible.

Corruption doesn't matter because all politicians are corrupt, political incompetence doesn't matter because government is always hamfisted and incompetent, racism doesn't matter because even the progressives are "just as bad" as the racists, and actual threats to the social order aren't worth caring about because a) caring about things is for liberals and b) the social order itself is simply an institution to be mocked.

All of the 'young Republicans', all the Bernie Bros, and every one of the 'woke independents' fall into this category.

ok when you say bernie bros what do you mean exactly? seen this term poping up more and more and have yet to see any real codified meaning.

[dd614]

This is ultimately the chickens hatched from the Reagan Revolution coming home to roost. The government has been utterly crippled by conservatism and pseudo-conservatism in the form of the Third Way, and due to that a lot of people are disenchanted with the system and fall prey to ideologies that run counter to it.

Yah, it's all Reagan's fault... Everything you said is objectively wrong.

[Bullettime]

ok when you say bernie bros what do you mean exactly? seen this term poping up more and more and have yet to see any real codified meaning.

Bernie Bros are people that latched on the ideology of Bernie Sanders to a degree that they demand only extreme progressiveness in a short time or they're fine watching the whole system burn instead of supporting gradual change to get to the same end goal.

They preach about how both sides are evil and how awful the current Dems are which actually helps the opposing side.

[Elegiac]

ok when you say bernie bros what do you mean exactly? seen this term poping up more and more and have yet to see any real codified meaning.

Younger Democrats who would rather ride or die with a living Che Guevara t-shirt rather than swallow their pride.

[MoanaLisa]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/james-a...sville-suspect

James Alex Fields, Jr. has been identified as the suspected driver of a vehicle that rammed into protesters in Charlottesville, Virginia, killing one and injuring dozens more. Fields was booked in jail on suspicion of second-degree murder, police told the Washington Post. Fields, 20, is from Maumee, Ohio, outside of Toledo. Fields registered as a Republican in 2016, public records reviewed by The Daily Beast show.

So less likely to be a left-wing radical nutcase.

[Skroe]

Let's check in with the Republican Party in the Senate given that Trump "All Lives Mattered" this terrorist attack.

[Elegiac]

Yah, it's all Reagan's fault... Everything you said is objectively wrong.

Reagan himself actually had very little to do with the Reagan Revolution. Largely because he was already suffering from dementia by that point and was being manipulated by his administration.

[Canpinter]

Younger Democrats who would rather ride or die with a living Che Guevara t-shirt rather than swallow their pride.

ok thats fine, just wondering cause i got yelled at once for being a "sexist bernie bro" for not voting for hillary in the primary even tho i voted for her in the election proper.

[Deleted]

And I asked you to back up your claims. So, here we are.

No, we're at you shitposting by listing things some people (who you don't agree with) said and asking for "proofs".

[Edge-]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/james-a...sville-suspect

So less likely to be a left-wing radical nutcase.

So it wasn't the dude that the internet vigilantes thought it would be, go figure.

Now we know who he is, time to let the cops figure out his motivation (pretty obvious, but let's wait until it's official) and if he was working with anyone else to plan/execute this attack.

This is what happens when violent Antifa thugs show up to a peaceful protest. Don't start no shit won't be no shit.

Please describe how it's these protesters fault for being run over by a guy who most likely will end up being a white nationalist.

I'll wait.

[Elegiac]

This is what happens when violent Antifa thugs show up to a peaceful protest. Don't start no shit won't be no shit.

Why did the alt-right bring riot gear to a 'peaceful protest'.

[Skroe]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/james-a...sville-suspect

So less likely to be a left-wing radical nutcase.

https://everipedia.org/wiki/james-alex-fields-jr/

Lots of info with a photograph. Note the liscence plate.

[Belize]

This is what happens when violent Antifa thugs show up to a peaceful protest. Don't start no shit won't be no shit.

Yes, peaceful protests where right-wing militias came armed with firearms from the get-go and those that didn't came with whatever bat and shield they could fabricate.

Much peacefulness.