Warlock Spell Animations confirmed not in 7.3 but in 7.3.5 or later.

[G3istly]

This just comes across like a giant whine and has nothing to do with anything.

If anyone has the right to complain, it's Warlocks.

[Inci]

Infernals got more fiery!

[TheRainman]

If anyone has the right to complain, it's Warlocks.

That might be, but it also has nothing to do with the point of the thread. Make a whine thread if that's what you want to do.

[pseudodraco]

With all the new demon models, green fire etc, you guys were the last caster who needed an update

yeah, lots of new demon models in game, no new ones for warlocks though.

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From a "lore" point of view, Warlocks don't tame their demons, they enslave them after a ritual (like you had to do back them with a smal chain for every demon, unlike now that you get them as you level up). So I understand why we can't "tame" any demon we see, we just use the ones we got back then or we can enslave any other demon for a brief amount of time. And I like it that way.

That said, I wouldn't mind being able to pick what kind or color of imp/succubus/voidwalker/felhunter/felguard you enslave if you perform that ritual (or at least the last part) as a requirement, just to keep that very cool aspect of the warlock class and to make it sense lorewise.

Maybe then they could have a warlock hunting party mechanic, kinda like ritual of doom. warlocks group up to go out and perform the ritual to enslave a demon out in the Broken Isles

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Demonology is in a good position, since they revamped/reworked on spec, so they needed to do new spells effects/visuals, but the DB needs a green fire modification. And Shadow Bolt got the last change on Cataclysm and a glyph on Pandaria.

I'm rather inclined to disagree about demo being in a good position. The only fights where I get good visuals are avatar, or krosus where my imps can't spawn on the boss itself and they swarm around me and I can see their machine gun like firebolts. Otherwise, I don't really get to see much of what my demons do. I'd be much happier with like a trio of more impressive demons at my command that I can see doing shit, like the inquisitor some people have talked about.

[Yarathir]

Because Pit Lords are considered one of the strongest races in the entire lore. And running around with a Eredar as your "pet" is utterly idiotic.
Though I already know Blizzard wouldn't let that sort of thing happen anyway so I'm not worried.

Pit Lords, Eredar Brutes, Fel Lords, Fel Stalkers, Gan'arg would all make for perfectly viable minion "tames" (permanent enslave demon) or glyphs for warlocks of our caliber to summon and enslave.

Caster Eredar and Dreadlords are where I draw the line, however - simply for aesthetic reasons.

[Kromus!]

we need more pet customization, colour of the pet would be nice, i want a black felhunter maybe, etc.

but this is not a problem, i rather have them take longer and get it right, then to hold back the patch or rush shit

I agree. Ultimately we will be better off as they would of taken their time I hope.

Enslave demon idea sounds bad ass, because originally I agreed with Ghostcrawler saying something along the lines of, "Hunter gain trust and bond with their pet, Warlocks force demons to do their bidding then discard it".

That said, the demon we summon always has the same name, so we could go as far as to say we are constantly discarding and resummoning the same demon, so perhaps it would be cool to use the Enslave Demon idea to enslave, say an imp, and it takes that imps skin/model for your imp and gives it a new name. Then when you re-summon you have that imp. And you have to do the same for each of your demons Your still discarding them back to the Twisting Nether each time, but you just resummon them specifically.

That way, there is still no "bond", just forcing a certain demon into servitude because they meet your needs again and again.

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I agree. Ultimately we will be better off as they would of taken their time I hope.

Enslave demon idea sounds bad ass, because originally I agreed with Ghostcrawler saying something along the lines of, "Hunter gain trust and bond with their pet, Warlocks force demons to do their bidding then discard it".

That said, the demon we summon always has the same name, so we could go as far as to say we are constantly discarding and resummoning the same demon, so perhaps it would be cool to use the Enslave Demon idea to enslave, say an imp, and it takes that imps skin/model for your imp and gives it a new name. Then when you re-summon you have that imp. And you have to do the same for each of your demons Your still discarding them back to the Twisting Nether each time, but you just resummon them specifically.

That way, there is still no "bond", just forcing a certain demon into servitude because they meet your needs again and again.

The pet we summon and keep with us aren't enslaved demon, we have a contract with them (with agreement from both sides).
When using "summon doomguard' (without supremacy), you can see that it's an enslaved demon : we can't keep him for too long.

Permanent pet = Pet with a contract.
Temporary = Enslaved demon.

[Inci]

Im worried about combat posture, I'm afraid that I wont like it.

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The pet we summon and keep with us aren't enslaved demon, we have a contract with them (with agreement from both sides).
When using "summon doomguard' (without supremacy), you can see that it's an enslaved demon : we can't keep him for too long.

Permanent pet = Pet with a contract.
Temporary = Enslaved demon.

That's retconned lore from vanilla.

For example the Shivarra demands to be released when you summon her. She and the voidwalker also say that during the fel fire quest. So they're clearly not helping the warlock willingly.

Also warlocks can control the Doomguard as long as they want with the Grimoire of Supremacy talent.

[Duckz0rs]

For example the Shivarra demands to be released when you summon her. She and the voidwalker also say that during the fel fire quest. So they're clearly not helping the warlock willingly.

The Observer was the only one that seemed happy to serve at that, even sounded happy to be allied with the Warlock. In the same questline it seemed to be a bit implied as well that these demons already hated the Legion in the part where Kanrethad summoned the Doomguard.

[Netherspark]

Im worried about combat posture, I'm afraid that I wont like it.

Warlock animations need to be aggressive and show malicious intent. I do worry they'll make them too 'soft'.

[rhorle]

Permanent pet = Pet with a contract.
Temporary = Enslaved demon.

We enslave our class mount. It is really a matter of semantics of contract or enslaved. Either way the demon is bound to the Warlock..

[FelPlague]

Pit Lords, Eredar Brutes, Fel Lords, Fel Stalkers, Gan'arg would all make for perfectly viable minion "tames" (permanent enslave demon) or glyphs for warlocks of our caliber to summon and enslave.

Caster Eredar and Dreadlords are where I draw the line, however - simply for aesthetic reasons.

There is plenty of dreadlords you can enslave now allready, i used to enslave them all the time in tannan jungle, they were pretty strong
also our darkglare was going to be a dreadlord, then got changed to inquisitor, then darkglare (still made the oracle did not get the new oracle model...)

[Fearomatic]

Warlocks get nice things too. Look at the class mounts for example. Many classes only got one mount which then may or may not change colors based on your spec. Meanwhile warlocks and hunters got three (rogues and paladins four) different variations you can use anytime you want.

you mean the reskin from what we had in the past?

[Requimortem]

There is plenty of dreadlords you can enslave now allready, i used to enslave them all the time in tannan jungle, they were pretty strong
also our darkglare was going to be a dreadlord, then got changed to inquisitor, then darkglare (still made the oracle did not get the new oracle model...)

You've got that backwards. First it was going to be an Inquisitor, then a Dreadlord and then they gave us the Darkglare which is nothing more than a reskinned Observer.

[FelPlague]

You've got that backwards. First it was going to be an Inquisitor, then a Dreadlord and then they gave us the Darkglare which is nothing more than a reskinned Observer.

Except it is not reskinned
it is remodeled
not even the same skeleton as the observer, it was the same skeleton as the drumu mob (whatever it is called) but it is a brand new texture, brand new skin, even a brand new model.

and it didnt even use the same rig as the oracle

[Requimortem]

Except it is not reskinned
it is remodeled
not even the same skeleton as the observer, it was the same skeleton as the drumu mob (whatever it is called) but it is a brand new texture, brand new skin, even a brand new model.

and it didnt even use the same rig as the oracle

Typical response from you.

[FelPlague]

Typical response from you.

Ok? Yeah you were right about the order
but no, it is not a reskin, you corrected me for the order, i corrected you for your wording... i mean.. its fair?

[Requimortem]

Ok? Yeah you were right about the order
but no, it is not a reskin, you corrected me for the order, i corrected you for your wording... i mean.. its fair?

It's an "updated" model at best but if you think those technical details matter when we lost the opportunity for two entirely new demons then you are sorely mistaken:

[FelPlague]

It's an "updated" model at best but if you think those technical details matter when we lost the opportunity for two entirely new demons then you are sorely mistaken:

No i dont think they do
but calling it a "reskin"
is stupid, as you prove with that screenshot
it is not sharing the same
Color
texture-recolor
mesh-reskin
rig-remodel
it is a brand new rig(i am pretty sure) but even if it was the same rig, it is not a reskin ,it is a remodel, as it is a BRAND NEW mesh
and really
"It's an "updated" model at best "
stop acting so fucking high and mighty
it is an updated model, dont try to go "it looks shit, its actually work, it has less polly and less pixels, its odviously not an updated model.

It is a new mesh, it has much more polly, and much more pixels.
Dont be so full of yourself, you could have corrected me in the order of the demons being added and simply left it at that and i would gone "oh sorry i was wrong, thanks man" but now your trying to pull "its "updated" model at best, bleh, its a reskin"

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you mean the reskin from what we had in the past?