Why Even Nazis Deserve Free Speech

[Vyxn]

a white ethno-state where each race lives in a separate nation based on the belief that white people are superior to all other races and should therefore dominate society.

= ethnic cleansing, all civil rights for nonwhites would be removed, all the power in the hands of white males (these groups believe in the subordination of women, much like islamists), dystopian fantasy pretty much.

No one is questioning if white supremacist isn't a wrong or even an evil ideology but we cant as a government make those decisions what ideologies you can have and ones you cant because this week it is white supremacist next week it could be communist then the week after that it can be socialism

[Deleted]

No one is questioning if white supremacist isn't a wrong or even an evil ideology but we cant as a government make those decisions what ideologies you can have and ones you cant because this week it is white supremacist next week it could be communist then the week after that it can be socialism

Your government already bans groups, so they already make those decisions.

[Vyxn]

Your government already bans groups, so they already make those decisions.

AS IN?
If you do find one it was because criminal activity not over ideology you see when crimes are committed some rights fly out the door

[Glnger]

"safe spaces"

[Cthulhu 2020]

So you missed the stupidity of the Hays code? How it still influences products today? Really?

You seem to have missed what I was even talking about. In the civil rights area there was tons of violent hate speech. We as a country shut it all down and made it illegal, disbanding the KKK. Silencing and disbanding groups that advocate for ethnic cleansing hasn't led to anything negative other than those groups and sympathizers of ethnic cleansing getting their panties in a twist.

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No one is questioning if white supremacist isn't a wrong or even an evil ideology but we cant as a government make those decisions what ideologies you can have and ones you cant because this week it is white supremacist next week it could be communist then the week after that it can be socialism

Call me when the state bans anything other than hate groups that advocate violent speech.

And yes, the government has formally disbanded hate groups in the past, and speech promoting violence is also illegal.

It's called the slippery slope FALLACY for a reason, because we can be rational human beings and ban one thing that's bad without going ham and banning everything else.

[supertigerlamp]

Stop mistaking "Lack of Free Speech" with "Consequences for What You".

If you say hateful things and someone kicks you in the nuts for it, they aren't stopping you from saying anything, they're reacting to what you said. Maybe it will make you reconsider saying those things next time.

[Halicia]

Stop mistaking "Lack of Free Speech" with "Consequences for What You".

If you say hateful things and someone kicks you in the nuts for it, they aren't stopping you from saying anything, they're reacting to what you said. Maybe it will make you reconsider saying those things next time.

This isn't just "saying hateful things" though... this is people being blacklisted for being *NEAR* someone that says hateful things... or wanting to observe and respond to this hateful things being said... but instead being treated the same as the person that says and does them.

[Kallisto]

Stop mistaking "Lack of Free Speech" with "Consequences for What You".

If you say hateful things and someone kicks you in the nuts for it, they aren't stopping you from saying anything, they're reacting to what you said. Maybe it will make you reconsider saying those things next time.

This.

But of course for many people Freedom of speach = I can say what I want and no one can silence me, no one can ignore me, no one can fire me for it. I can yell as loud as I want, as much hate as I want and you all must listen!

When Freedom of speach is = I can say what I want (except things like Yelling fire in a crowded are) and the government can't lock me up. Private citizens and businesses though can decide to not have anything to do with me, even if said business is popular that people confuse it's popularity with monopoly.

[Super Kami Dende]

I get their point - that we need to allow these people to express themselves in order to show themselves. There is truth to that. Trump and his campaign to the POTUS created an atmosphere that lets people like this thrive easier than before, and finally we're seeing just how deep racism and hate still dwell in America.

Wrong. They always thrived. The constant attacks and rallies from extremists on the other side is what led to other extremists coming out of the woodworks.

[Typhoria]

They're proud of being white. It's akin to a gay pride parade.

They might have been inciting many things, genocide wasn't one of them. Also, they didn't incite being beaten to a pulp by justice warriors..

I'm proud to be white, but that doesn't mean I have to hate and diminish other people's race and heritage.

There is a difference between being prideful of your heritage and believing that your race is the best and everyone is beneath you. While they are free to verbally express themselves, how they choose to display their message is not approved by the majority.

Imo, any time a group violently responds to another, the group that attacked makes them seem validated and only strengthens their conviction instead of changing their ideas. E.g. the NeoNazis get attacked, the first thing that comes to their mind is "look they are attacking white people! We are right for hating them."

We can choose a couple of things. One could be just to not engage them and let them burn out. Their membership would decline since they would have nothing to reference to their "plight."
Another would be to attempt some kind of dialogue. These people are obviously angry and frustrated at something, and are expressing themselves the only way they know how. Granted most of these people have no intent in changing their mind, at least trying to discover the root of their hate could be useful.

[Zan15]

no the Dixie checks can say what the hell ever they want and we have the right to use our freedom of speech to condemn them and burn their CDs

exactly my point...hypocrisy from people who were in the reverse position 20 years ago

[Aquinan]

You yanks really love your "free speech" bit, but it's all bullshit. Nazi's/anti-semites/racists/pedos etc shouldn't be allowed the freedom to spread their bs. Your affair with "free speech" keeps the flame of these asshats alive.

[Rooflesstoofless]

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[Treno]

Gonna get real with you for a moment. Those are some hot tits.

I think the balloon in back is checking it out.

[seta-san]

You yanks really love your "free speech" bit, but it's all bullshit. Nazi's/anti-semites/racists/pedos etc shouldn't be allowed the freedom to spread their bs. Your affair with "free speech" keeps the flame of these asshats alive.

it's not really the government's position to tell you what to think or say or decide what is acceptable to think or say. if you have given your government that much power than you've given them too much.

[Megitsune]

You yanks really love your "free speech" bit, but it's all bullshit. Nazi's/anti-semites/racists/pedos etc shouldn't be allowed the freedom to spread their bs. Your affair with "free speech" keeps the flame of these asshats alive.

100% agree and that is how I feel about "free speech". Why let someone have freedom of speech when all they ever spew is hateful garbage. It makes no sense to me

[Aquinan]

it's not really the government's position to tell you what to think or say or decide what is acceptable to think or say. if you have given your government that much power than you've given them too much.

There is a difference between letting the government control what you say, and just letting nazi's and all these other bastards say what they are. If society in general condemns what they are saying that should be enough, the government doesn't need to weigh in.

[Elim Garak]

100% agree and that is how I feel about "free speech". Why let someone have freedom of speech when all they ever spew is hateful garbage. It makes no sense to me

You deny them freedom of speech you deny everyone (you included) freedom of speech. Speech is harmless.
All you propose is the same thing Nazis want. Ban opposing ideas to promote yours. Whatcha gonna do if people continue to say things you don't like? What will be YOUR final solution to hate speech problem?

[Livnthedream]

You seem to have missed what I was even talking about. In the civil rights area there was tons of violent hate speech. We as a country shut it all down and made it illegal, disbanding the KKK. Silencing and disbanding groups that advocate for ethnic cleansing hasn't led to anything negative other than those groups and sympathizers of ethnic cleansing getting their panties in a twist.

The KKK was not forcibly disbanded. And what you are talking about is the Ku Klux Klan Act. Which if Trump were to introduce similar legislation tomorrow would have the media in an absolute uproar. See for yourself:

For the first time, the Ku Klux Klan Act designated certain crimes committed by individuals as federal offenses, including conspiracies to deprive citizens of the right to hold office, serve on juries and enjoy the equal protection of the law. The act authorized the president to suspend the writ of habeas corpus and arrest accused individuals without charge, and to send federal forces to suppress Klan violence.

[Deleted]

You deny them freedom of speech you deny everyone (you included) freedom of speech. Speech is harmless.

Aren't you Russian?