CNN does report on Antifa

[Elegiac]

No, That was Industrialism. That's not Socialism at all.

Despite the fact that the author definitively coined the term 'socialism' within the work and Saint-Simon is recognised as one of the fathers of modern socialism. Right.

Are you going to admit you were talking out of your ass, or were you just being "hyperbolic".

[zorkuus]

Angry kids go around in mobs vandalizing shit and being violent towards anyone for any reason while flying the communist flag? ...

They kinda do. I doubt even half of them really understand communism, they just want to be a part of a group that is "edgy".

Despite the fact that the author definitively coined the term 'socialism' within the work and Saint-Simon is recognised as one of the fathers of modern socialism. Right.

But the title said industrialism, you're confusing him.

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Oh, you're still here?

India wasn't, but Britain was.

That still doesn't make India a Democracy.

[Elegiac]

That still doesn't make India a Democracy.

No. But it makes Britain about on par with the USSR.

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They kinda do. I doubt even half of them really understand communism, they just want to be a part of a group that is "edgy".

Just like every Communist and Socialist, they don't understand their own ideology.

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No. But it makes Britain about on par with the USSR.

It really doesn't.

[Elegiac]

It really doesn't.

A central state with a colonial empire making economic and social decisions responsible for the suffering and deaths of millions of people?

Sounds about right.

[Post]

They kinda do. I doubt even half of them really understand communism, they just want to be a part of a group that is "edgy".

I was an angry kid, I knew plenty of angry kids, we didn't go out and form a terrorist organization. Trying to pull the "oh kids will be kids" thing is hilariously stupid here.

But I agree that most of them probably don't understand communism. It doesn't matter though, because so many people tell them they're heroes and try to deflect blame from them.

[Vyxn]

They aren't even remotely the same thing, no. Is this the level we're operating at? Just say obviously-wrong things and hope nobody calls you out on it?

Well, in that case, "Capitalism is just slavery of the masses for their corporate owners!"

I can make up silly shit too, y'see.



Y'know how earlier you said I keep pointing out that you make appeals to authority?

See, this is why I do so. Because this is an appeal to authority. It isn't an argument, and doesn't back you one whit.

Fact remains; Rummel is manipulating his data to exclude significant factors for no justifiable reason. And you're deliberately ignoring the death tolls by capitalist nations, as if pretending they don't exist makes them go away.

didn't ignore them read what you gave flood, draughts, dieses, and insect swarm that cause crop failure that causes famine isn't the fault of capitalism unless you want to claim capitalism controls mother nature
The famine that Rommel counts was famine that is directly connected to government action

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Despite the fact that the author definitively coined the term 'socialism' within the work and Saint-Simon is recognised as one of the fathers of modern socialism. Right.

Are you going to admit you were talking out of your ass, or were you just being "hyperbolic".

The word Socialist never shows up in Saint-Simons work, and it's Marx and the follows of Saint-Simon who called him a Socialist. Truth is, his Social Model was far from Socialist at all, but a meritocracy.

[zorkuus]

Just like every Communist and Socialist, they don't understand their own ideology.

Hey! Kinda like you don't understand them! I knew it, you're a commiealist in disquise.

[Elegiac]

didn't ignore them went read what you gave flood, draughts, dieses, and insect swarm that cause crop failure that causes famine isn't the fault of capitalism unless you want to claim capitalism controls mother nature
The famine that Rommel counts was famine that is directly connected to government action

Considering 100% of famines are human-caused, that's a pretty specious exclusion.

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A central state with a colonial empire making economic and social decisions responsible for the suffering and deaths of millions of people?

Sounds about right.

The British Empire didn't call down the floods and Typhoons to cause the Famines in India. It handled the situation poorly sure, but it didn't purposely cause the famine. Which is the point of famine numbers in the black book.

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Hey! Kinda like you don't understand them! I knew it, you're a commiealist in disquise.

I understand them completely, you're just deluded.

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Considering 100% of famines are human-caused, that's a pretty specious exclusion.

No they're not.

[Vyxn]

Oh, you're still here?

India wasn't, but Britain was.

yes but the people of India didn't vote in British elections there for India its self wasn't a democracy

[zorkuus]

I was an angry kid, I knew plenty of angry kids, we didn't go out and form a terrorist organization. Trying to pull the "oh kids will be kids" thing is hilariously stupid here.

I'm not trying to pull no "kids will be kids". Most kids don't turn to violence even if they're angry, but some do. Some of them turn to neo-nazism for example. Your anecdotal evidence means nothing.

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I'm not trying to pull no "kids will be kids". Most kids don't turn to violence even if they're angry, but some do. some of them turn to neo-nazism for example.

So then we can agree Antifa are as bad as the neo-nazis and political violence is pointless and damaging.

[Elegiac]

The word Socialist never shows up in Saint-Simons work, and it's Marx and the follows of Saint-Simon who called him a Socialist. Truth is, his Social Model was far from Socialist at all, but a meritocracy.

It's almost as if Marx and Engels based their philosophy on a standing corpus of socialist philosophy and never would have arrived at the conclusions they did without the influence of people like Saint-Simon and Fourier.

Are you going to admit you were talking out of your ass, or were you just being "hyperbolic"?

[zorkuus]

So then we can agree Antifa are as bad as the neo-nazis and political violence is pointless and damaging.

They're bad.

[Elegiac]

No they're not.

Famines do not occur in nonagrarian economies by definition.

[Post]

I'm not trying to pull no "kids will be kids". Most kids don't turn to violence even if they're angry, but some do. Some of them turn to neo-nazism for example. Your anecdotal evidence means nothing.

If you aren't trying to pull "kids will be kids" then you wouldn't have tried to defend the statement I quoted. If you don't believe that you have no reason to even be arguing with me.

So then we can agree Antifa are as bad as the neo-nazis and political violence is pointless and damaging.

I would say worse at this point just due to numbers alone.

[Elegiac]

The British Empire didn't call down the floods and Typhoons to cause the Famines in India. It handled the situation poorly sure, but it didn't purposely cause the famine. Which is the point of famine numbers in the black book.

I suppose Ireland was also a case of "handling the situation poorly", as well?

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I would say worse at this point just due to numbers alone.

I'm curious as to how many "antifa" you think there are.