Shootings leave 9 dead, 54 wounded in violent Chicago weekend

[Allybeboba]

I have no idea.
I was more criticising the way people such as the OP make threads. Just posting an article without adding anything themselves.

The OP did add something to the discussion. They added two sentences at the end of the stated article and have been active in the thread.

Desperation forces people to commit crimes, and poverty usually leads to desperation.

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It's a foolish point to bring up "Chicago had more shootings recently! But it's a big city so in fact per capita the shootings are much lower than people think. Also crime is down like nearly 40% but the number!!"

New Orleans and several other cities literally have 300% higher per capita shootings, but I only ever see Chicago getting talked about on this forum because of the sheer number of shootings, as people here including you, don't have a regard for fucking percentages and making things properly relative to population.

Being desperate is simply an excuse.
I have been 'desperate' before. Yet, I never felt the need to turn to crime. Then again maybe it's because I was brought up to know wrong from right. And that other people's stuff it's necessarily mine for the taking.
Have a wonderful week everyone.

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It's an annyong practice that some posters have here on MMO-C.
They just post an article and nothing else.

They really should change the rules about that.
It promotes posting propaganda without any real discussion, just two sides taking shots at eachother.

So no, I'm not "shooting the messenger", I just find your threads annoying and poorly made. I have nothing against the topic however but I have no idea how to actually discuss it as you said nothing, raised no questions, nothing.

What "side" did he pick? He didn't any side at all. He simply said he wished people cared about the crazy violence happening here. These 'people' could be anyone and everyone.
I took it as everyone actually. As in, everyone should care about the crazy violence happening.

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How is discussing violence in a city propaganda? If any rules should change it should be shit posting to derail the subject then I wouldn't have to see your post.

Posters are easy to ignore. And you don't necessarily have to respond to all of them.
By 'ignore', I mean just not pay attention to. Some of their posts do provide topkek entertainment value(echo chamber subforum for example).

[Ivanstone]

Your argument: but other big cities had lots of murders too!
My argument: What the fuck is wrong with all big cities being full of murdering gang violence?

By specifically mentioning Chicago it makes it look like you have an ulteriour motive. Since you're a reliable conservative apologist masquerading as an "Independent Voter" it really makes it look like you have an ulteriour motive.

If you wanted a discussion on gang violence in urban areas, then make a topic on that subject.

There are only a few times where its acceptable to single out Chicago on this subject:
1 - You want to discuss a very specific case.
2 - You want to discuss Al Capone.
3 - You want to discuss Spike Lee's Chiraq. Which is probably a much better use of all of our times because its a great fucking movie.
I'm sure there might be some others. Why don't you flex your "Independent Thinking" and present a few.

[zenkai]

Posters are easy to ignore. And you don't necessarily have to respond to all of them.
By 'ignore', I mean just not pay attention to. Some of their posts do provide topkek entertainment value(echo chamber subforum for example).

Meh, I like putting people in their place and show them how wrong they are, even if they won't admit it.

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By specifically mentioning Chicago it makes it look like you have an ulteriour motive. Since you're a reliable conservative apologist masquerading as an "Independent Voter" it really makes it look like you have an ulteriour motive.

If you wanted a discussion on gang violence in urban areas, then make a topic on that subject.

There are only a few times where its acceptable to single out Chicago on this subject:
1 - You want to discuss a very specific case.
2 - You want to discuss Al Capone.
3 - You want to discuss Spike Lee's Chiraq. Which is probably a much better use of all of our times because its a great fucking movie.
I'm sure there might be some others. Why don't you flex your "Independent Thinking" and present a few.

Sorry until I see a news article about some other city I will continue with Chicago, if you don't like it take it up with CBS.

[Queen of Hamsters]

What should be done: Target poverty, prevent people from falling into the cracks and feeling that crime is the only way
What 'Murica is more likely to do: Make it easier for "good" people to get guns, increasing the risks of massive shootouts involving not only criminal on criminal violence, but also civilians, many of whom got their guns but didn't get any training.

Win!

[Allybeboba]

Meh, I like putting people in their place and show them how wrong they are, even if they won't admit it.

Sometimes it really isn't worth the energy. If it doesn't fit within their little box they simply can't understand the situation.
This thread for example. People actually think you are taking an us vs them stance on it. Some people can't simply can't grasp the reality of issues that aren't us vs them.

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What should be done: Target poverty, prevent people from falling into the cracks and feeling that crime is the only way
What 'Murica is more likely to do: Make it easier for "good" people to get guns, increasing the risks of massive shootouts involving not only criminal on criminal violence, but also civilians, many of whom got their guns but didn't get any training.

Win!

How about teach people that crime is immoral. Maybe their parents could try doing that. It isn't the government's job to be your mother.

[Queen of Hamsters]

Sometimes it really isn't worth the energy. If it doesn't fit within their little box they simply can't understand the situation.
This thread for example. People actually think you are taking an us vs them stance on it. Some people can't simply can't grasp the reality of issues that aren't us vs them.

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How about teach people that crime is immoral. Maybe their parents could try doing that. It isn't the government's job to be your mother.

What an utterly shitty solution when people feel that their only chance in life, is in crime...

Yeah, you go stand yourself on a piedestal in these areas and preach that "crime is immoral!", I'm sure you'll do a world of difference. Newsflash: Criminals KNOW that what they do is bad, the actual psychopaths are very few in numbers.

[Ivanstone]

Sorry until I see a news article about some other city I will continue with Chicago, if you don't like it take it up with CBS.

Took me 5 seconds:
http://time.com/4651122/homicides-increase-cities-2016/

[Northy]

I could solve the issue, but leftists would call me racist. It has very little to do with money, let's just say that. There are dirt poor communities all across the country and the world who have no such issues with violent crime.

For now, normal and rational people are best off just avoiding Illinois in general. There's plenty of states surrounding it that are absolutely delightful.

[Allybeboba]

What an utterly shitty solution when people feel that their only chance in life, is in crime...

Yeah, you go stand yourself on a piedestal in these areas and preach that "crime is immoral!", I'm sure you'll do a world of difference. Newsflash: Criminals KNOW that what they do is bad, the actual psychopaths are very few in numbers.

Yet they do it anyway.
I can almost understand stealing food. But stealing $100 shoes and such... killing people over small change. Killing children while they are watching Saturday morning cartoons... All this because of "poverty". That is simply an excuse.

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I could solve the issue, but leftists would call me racist. It has very little to do with money, let's just say that. There are dirt poor communities all across the country and the world who have no such issues with violent crime.

For now, normal and rational people are best off just avoiding Illinois in general. There's plenty of states surrounding it that are absolutely delightful.

Chicago's issue is more of a cultural issue than anything I would think.

[Amerrol]

Do I have to teach you arithmetic again? Days -> years means fatal police shootings occur about 365 times more in the US than the UK, despite only having 6 times the population. So the per capita rate is over SIXTY TIMES HIGHER if you go by these stats.

That is fucking insane.

I'm fine with criminals dying. We have too many in prison anyway. Sometimes mistakes happen, and it sucks when someone truly innocent gets hurt, but I'll believe the word of cops over criminals and professional victims.

[Northy]

It isn't the government's job to be your mother.

Nah, the government is the child's father, and the government is the mother's sugar daddy.

[zenkai]

Took me 5 seconds:
http://time.com/4651122/homicides-increase-cities-2016/

I read it on the front page news. Funny, if you see a story about murder, do you first look at where other murders are before talking about the story you first saw? Your logic is awesome.

[Aggrophobic]

How is discussing violence in a city propaganda? If any rules should change it should be shit posting to derail the subject then I wouldn't have to see your post.

In this case, it might not be but very often, it is.

[Ivanstone]

I read it on the front page news. Funny, if you see a story about murder, do you first look at where other murders are before talking about the story you first saw? Your logic is awesome.

In this specific example, yes. You claim that this thread is about murders yet you single out Chicago.

And how many Chicago threads have we already had? Here's one you can necro if you like:
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...hlight=chicago

[zenkai]

In this specific example, yes. You claim that this thread is about murders yet you single out Chicago.

And how many Chicago threads have we already had? Here's one you can necro if you like:
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...hlight=chicago

What is your deal pickle? What is so wrong with making a post about the violence in Chicago over the weekend? How can there be an agenda? Do you think the media has it out for Chicago? I didn't single out Chicago, the media did. Please show me a news story that had more than 9 people and 54 wounded over the last weekend.

[Ivanstone]

What is your deal pickle? What is so wrong with making a post about the violence in Chicago over the weekend? How can there be an agenda? Do you think the media has it out for Chicago? I didn't single out Chicago, the media did. Please show me a news story that had more than 9 people and 54 wounded over the last weekend.

Because its just another post shit-talking one particular city that we've seen over and over again. You're not bringing anything new to the table here. Chicago has problems for sure but they are neither unique or even especially egregious. Nation-bashing will get a thread locked pretty quick, I don't see why bashing a city doesn't get the same treatment.

I do think the media actually has it out for Chicago. I think you have a problem with Chicago for parroting their drivel without thinking about it.

Next weekend Chicago will have even more news articles talking about the number of shootings that happened that weekend. Are you going to post those too?

[Allybeboba]

In this specific example, yes. You claim that this thread is about murders yet you single out Chicago.

And how many Chicago threads have we already had? Here's one you can necro if you like:
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...hlight=chicago

He didn't single out Chicago. He simply passed along an article that the media wrote concerning that particular city.

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Because its just another post shit-talking one particular city that we've seen over and over again. You're not bringing anything new to the table here. Chicago has problems for sure but they are neither unique or even especially egregious. Nation-bashing will get a thread locked pretty quick, I don't see why bashing a city doesn't get the same treatment.

I do think the media actually has it out for Chicago. I think you have a problem with Chicago for parroting their drivel without thinking about it.

Next weekend Chicago will have even more news articles talking about the number of shootings that happened that weekend. Are you going to post those too?

People aren't talking ill of the city though. At least some of us aren't. So it isn't 'city bashing'.


Maybe he will, maybe he won't. Either way, haters will still continue to hate.

[s_bushido]

I wonder if zenkai is going to pretend this forum's love of Venezuela=Socialism=Evil nonsense isn't propaganda as well. A person can't be so deluded to actually believe that these particular subjects aren't brought up explicitly to score political points with ignorant idiots, can they?

[Mihalik]

How about teach people that crime is immoral. Maybe their parents could try doing that. It isn't the government's job to be your mother.

So, you would also agree with feminists who think we should just teach men not to rape, 'cuz rape culture is the normal state of affairs?

[zenkai]

So, you would also agree with feminists who think we should just teach men not to rape, 'cuz rape culture is the normal state of affairs?

Rape is a normal state of affairs? WTF