Are you excited about N'zoth being the new major villain?

[Wvvtayy]

WoD had the Legion in it, the whole orc warlords thing was a facade, and that was because of Wrathion. They needed a way to get Gul'dan back. In the WoD Making Of they even said they thought about resurrection instead of Time Travel

That would have made much more sense than that alternate universe bullshit.

[Hitei]

I'm personally looking forward to fighting N'Zoth, I like the Old Gods, primarily due to their inspiration from H.P Lovecraft. Also, he's actually the weakest of the four Azeroth Old Gods. Xal'atath even states this, that Y'Shaarj was the strongest, and N'Zoth is the weakest.

Outright strength means very little when you are an organism specialized in corruption. He is the only one still alive and whole. That alone means he isn't actually the weakest. All Y'shaarj's strength did was get him ripped out of the ground.

[Deleted]

Hell yes. For a wow-born villain he had got significant build up and foreshadow over multiple expansions unlike most other villians (Garrosh and Zul being the only other examples I can think off). I think his execution will say a lot about wows ability in future to create, hype up and implement foes.

I also yearn deeply for the South Sea expasion with pirates, trolls and Naga etc etc to which he is the obvious villain

[Evaddon]

That would have made much more sense than that alternate universe bullshit.

They said they couldn't figure out a way to make it make sense believe it or not

[Snes]

N'Zoth is the weakest of the known Old Gods, at least according to the Shadow Priest artifact.

[Wvvtayy]

They said they couldn't figure out a way to make it make sense believe it or not

A bunch of legion dudes cast a dark ritual to bring him back from the dead makes slightly more sense than garrosh, deathwings bastard child and a bronze dragon rip a portal in the space time continuum to create an alternate universe to bring him back from.

[Dug]

Yes I love old god stuff so more is always welcome. Wouldn't even mind if they pulled another "forgotten" old god out of their ass either lol

[LiiLoSNK]

old gods == best gods

[DeicideUH]

I could care less about another blob of flesh that spawns tentacles everywhere and won't even be a end-of-expansion final boss. Old Gods are interesting as these alien threats that pop up here and then, but they are not interesting plot villains. He will probably be mid-tier raid final boss, and Azshara will be the actual big villain. That's, of course, assuming next expansion has anything to do with them.

[elaina]

...We don't know that, but YES.

Love the old god lore, theme, bosses, and any form of Lovecraftian horror they wanna dish out. C'thun and Yogg were true masterpieces of battles, and MoP's sly focus on Y'sharrj was some of the best storytelling the game has ever offered. All the creepy whispers and vague, over-analyzable plot prophecies! Il'gynoth alone has funded the lore forums this expansion - Can't wait to see what they have in store for big daddy N'zoth! Bring on the mindfuck!

If Ny'alotha is announced as the final raid of the expansion, I am seriously gonna have the hardest, anime level tentacle-induced orgasm possible. Fresh clothes at the ready, this is not a drill!***

*** (Until it is and we get AU Northrend instead... all hail the #ironscourge)

Plot Twist N'zoth is a good guy!

Inb4 sick redemption story for N'zoth. Give the people what they want!

[purebalance]

We killed 3 old gods so far and none of them was the final villain , im not very hyped about nzoth being the final villain unless he is far stronger than the other gods.

1) Nowhere has it been said he's a final villain and he deserves a mid tier just like the others if not first tier(while Azshara deserves a quest death).

2) In game and out of game already pretty much dictated that he isn't stronger and he's gotten 2 beat downs in his lifetime which would imply that even if he wasn't weaker than the ones we killed, he would have been far less of a threat because of the 2 beatings versus their single ones.

3) Most of what people attribute to him was not him so in reality it's head canon much like Azshara that makes him interesting.

[Florena]

No because he's not going to be the next major villain.

What makes you sure on that? We don't know who it will be but he's certainly a contender.

[elaina]

I should look again for the source, but I thought I read once that the four old gods somewhat kept one another in check by each vying for power. With all the others being dead or more recently beaten down / recuperating, Blizzard could easily write in lore states this along with recent events has allowed N'zoth to greatly balloon in power.

[Hitei]

1) Nowhere has it been said he's a final villain and he deserves a mid tier just like the others if not first tier(while Azshara deserves a quest death).

2) In game and out of game already pretty much dictated that he isn't stronger and he's gotten 2 beat downs in his lifetime which would imply that even if he wasn't weaker than the ones we killed, he would have been far less of a threat because of the 2 beatings versus their single ones.

3) Most of what people attribute to him was not him so in reality it's head canon much like Azshara that makes him interesting.

You don't have to pretend lore characters are weak just because you don't like them.

[purebalance]

N'Zoth is the weakest of the known Old Gods, at least according to the Shadow Priest artifact.

Don't try to tell the people here that. They seem to think
A) that he hasn't been imprisoned this whole time which we know he has been
and
B) that somehow he's gotten stronger in a titan sealed prison as if there's like a weight bench and a gym like normal prisons have.

The only reason Yogg was able to do what he did and break his was due to the stupid night elves and their world tree in NR they tried to make which led to allowing him to corrupt the keepers there.

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You don't have to pretend lore characters are weak just because you don't like them.

I've given factual statements numerous times with in game citations. Has nothing to do with not liking them. The not liking is the head canon regarding them. Nzoth is in fact the weakest and has not gotten more powerful and hasn't done most of the things people sit and claim. Azshara by all rights should be a withered/wretched with the level of addiction she had and the citation that people use for her "power level" was when she still had exclusive access to the WoE which she no longer has which puts her back to "one of the most powerful mages" not the most powerful being which also means that Khadgar or Jaina are easily stronger than or equal to her at this point. Nothing indicates that the naga transformation does anything more than give physical strength and the ability to breathe water and swim.

So let's stop with the personal attacks because you don't like facts.

[Flaks]

I want a divisive villain again like Garrosh but someone who is quite a bit more powerful. I think Sargeras should technically be that villain with how he's actually been trying to do right by the universe all along.

[Zyky]

Inb4 sick redemption story for N'zoth. Give the people what they want!

N'zoth is the rebel child of the void lords!

[nothingsjim]

It would be disappointing to have N'zoth standing at center stage soaking up the spotlight, that's not what Old God (And especially not N'zoth) does.

The major villain, i.e the one on the cover, should be Queen Azshara. With N'zoth showing up later, like in TBC where Illidan was billed as the main villain but it's actually KJ

[Adoxe]

It would be disappointing to have N'zoth standing at center stage soaking up the spotlight, that's not what Old God (And especially not N'zoth) does.

The major villain, i.e the one on the cover, should be Queen Azshara. With N'zoth showing up later, like in TBC where Illidan was billed as the main villain but it's actually KJ

That wasn't intended to be the case at the time though, it just happened because WOTLK was taking longer than they wanted it to so they took Sunwell out of WOTLK's raid roster and made it patch 2.4 of TBC. Also, Zul'aman came after Black Temple aswell and I doubt people would've actually considered Zul'jin to be the main villain of TBC had Sunwell stayed out. But yeah, I agree, N'zoth shouldn't be the front and center of an expansion even if he is the main villain, Old Gods work best when they're in the background - which might be different for N'zoth since it's heavily hinted that he will actually escape his prison and be the first fully powered old god that we face.

Edit: In WOTLK Friends and Family alpha, which was before 2.4.0's release, Sunwell was datamined as a WOTLK raid. That's the source of my first comment.

[Hitei]

I've given factual statements numerous times with in game citations. Has nothing to do with not liking them. The not liking is the head canon regarding them. Nzoth is in fact the weakest and has not gotten more powerful and hasn't done most of the things people sit and claim.

He doesn't need to. He is still an Old God capable of single-handedly corrupting the entire planet and subsequently dooming the entire universe. He is the Old God who turned Yogg's fledgling Nightmare into a force capable of infecting the material plane. He was the longest influence on Deathwing. His minion was able to subdue and abduct an elemental lord in his natural environment.

Azshara by all rights should be a withered/wretched with the level of addiction she had and the citation that people use for her "power level" was when she still had exclusive access to the WoE which she no longer has which puts her back to "one of the most powerful mages" not the most powerful being which also means that Khadgar or Jaina are easily stronger than or equal to her at this point.

There is nothing to suggest she should be withered or wretched. Those are processes that come from 10,000 years of dependence on magic. The Highborne aren't wretched or withered. The Blood elves, who spent that entire time using the Sunwell as a magic source, and the Nightborne, who were forced to live off the Nightwell for that length of time are the ones who face such afflictions. Let's not just make up nonsense.

Every highborne mage was pulling from the Well of Eternity. It was right there. You fight other highborne casters in Azshara's favor right above the well. Do you have any trouble fighting and killing them? No. Do they have passive charm magic so strong that you, a champion who has faced down the Lich King, Archimonde, and a hundred other threats, are unable to will yourself to land even a single damaging attack? No. Did Mannoroth guess that only a Titan or two Titan-Fel empowered 15,000+ year old creatures were likely to match them? No.

She is on a completely different level. Azshara didn't keep the Well of Eternity locked in a jewelry box in her bedroom. There were thousands, tens of thousands of Highborne magi pulling from it as an energy source, exactly the same as her--hell, her most trusted Highborne were the ones doing active research and experimentation with the Well, they were no doubt more exposed to its energies than she was. None of them were Azshara. None of them were even remotely close to her level. None of them terrified a pit lord. None of them shattered a titan artifact from hundreds of miles away.

I'm not sure why you dislike Azshara so much that you want to pretend she's just an everyday mage. But it is very, very clear she isn't. Even without the Well, it is pretty obvious she is one of the strongest spellcasters to have ever lived and stands in her own league.

Nothing indicates that the naga transformation does anything more than give physical strength and the ability to breathe water and swim.

Except that we've seen Old God transformations before, and know that they DO give more than physical strength. You know, like Samuelson, a guard who gained the ability to hurl void magic and mass fear after being transformed by N'zoth?

Or Benedictus, who gained a whole suite of void powers and was strong enough to entrap Thrall at the height of his power after he embraced the twilight?
Or Deathwing, who was empowered by the Old Gods.

But no, I'm sure she just got a bit stronger and can breath water. There's no way working with an Old God might have made her stronger in any way.

So let's stop with the personal attacks because you don't like facts.

Pointing out that you're strongly underestimating the strength of lore characters because you don't like them is a "personal attack"?