Does serving in the US military turn people racist?

[Coombs]

The infantry is 95% white, so sure... maybe.

[Tarshamy]

Yeah I agree, generally speaking my own experience has taught me this type of communication is a waste of time due to the dogmatic inflexibility of pro-militarists and their innately sadistic/tribalistic nature. Your personality type tend to view any sort of non-american as a sub-species of humanity, (including "liberals") and have zero awareness of it, evidenced by unsunstantiated reductive cynicism and animalistic use of language.

Uh-huh.
I'm the one with sadistic/tribalistic nature, not the nice guys over there who make youtube videos of cutting off people's heads by the dozen.
I'm the one who looks at people as sub-species of humanity, not the nice guys over there whose only words to a Christian is "convert or die".

[Lumideta]

Seeing as the military (only speaking for US military from my experience) is not all Caucasian, I'd say definitely no. It forces you to interact with different races just by its nature. Growing up i had never really spent time with someone other that whites and hispanics coming from south Texas. My first room mate was black. We got along just fine. There is not some super secret racism class that we have to attend in the military that I know of. In civilian life you can kind of choose who you interact with. In the military you can not.

[OrcsRLame]

Your comment can be applied to this thread in an interesting way.
First world liberals are exactly the people who are isolated from human contact with islamists, and they are the ones constantly protecting them saying things like "not all..."
Soldiers, on the other hand, have direct contact with these people. They walk in their towns, and see the cowardly and reprehensible things they commit. They learn from this, and some people call it racism? It's common sense, as I said. I'd rather trust the people with actual first hand experience.

I more or less agree with you here, but I'm about to say that line you hate. Not all muslims... are islamists. Islam needs a reformation and it needs it yesterday. I think Muslim reformers like Maajid Nawaz are heroes. Apologists like Linda Sarsour are part of the problem as far as I see it.

[Tarshamy]

Not all muslims... are islamists.

This is an oxymoron. Either you believe in it or not.
If you want to make a reform, you'll have to give it a different name. Like the Christians did with Protestantism and the whole other branches.
All western (currently) peaceful muslims are part of the same religion as ISIS. They just arbitrarily decide to ignore certain parts of their own holy book (which is completely absurd when it comes to a religion, they are practically heathens).

[Venant]

Seeing as the military (only speaking for US military from my experience) is not all Caucasian, I'd say definitely no. It forces you to interact with different races just by its nature. Growing up i had never really spent time with someone other that whites and hispanics coming from south Texas. My first room mate was black. We got along just fine. There is not some super secret racism class that we have to attend in the military that I know of. In civilian life you can kind of choose who you interact with. In the military you can not.

Do you think that people in the military would have a hard time integrating with former ISIS fighters when everyone returns home from the war zone?

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This is an oxymoron. Either you believe in it or not.
If you want to make a reform, you'll have to give it a different name. Like the Christians did with Protestantism and the whole other branches.
All western (currently) peaceful muslims are part of the same religion as ISIS. They just arbitrarily decide to ignore certain parts of their own holy book (which is completely absurd when it comes to a religion, they are practically heathens).

Well, some people would make a strong argument that multiculturalism means that sometimes you are going to have people from your country leave and go fight on different sides of a war. In Sweden, they found that the best way to deal with this is to give returning ISIS fighters new identities and government protection.

http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/20...new-identities

[Weaponized Nuclear Kitten]

It might turn you against whoever it is your fighting as a result of residual trauma. I don't think it would necessarily make you racist if you otherwise weren't. If anything, you'd become more nationalist, which is either good or bad based on who you ask.

[DJ117]

No, you don't turn Racist, it's a character flaw, just like being sexist, you don't acquire it or get rid of it like the flu.

We don't see it as a character flaw.

[Tarshamy]

In Sweden, they found that the best way to deal with this is to give returning ISIS fighters new identities and government protection.

Cuckistan is not something that anyone should follow.
The only thing returning ISIS fighters should get is a bullet to the head.

[Deleted]

Uh-huh.
I'm the one with sadistic/tribalistic nature, not the nice guys over there who make youtube videos of cutting off people's heads by the dozen.
I'm the one who looks at people as sub-species of humanity, not the nice guys over there whose only words to a Christian is "convert or die".

So those pics from Abu Ghraib were holiday snaps were they?

You people tend just ignore your own atrocities and fetishize the enemy's. There's a long history of the worst kinds of torture emanating from your country extending back to the School Of The Americas. Perhaps you'd like to look at some pictures of malformed Vietnamese kids still growing up with the effects of Agent Orange if you want to turn this into an atrocity exhibition, because believe me beheadings don't mean shit compared to that.

[triplesdsu]

Why am I not surprised that this nonsense was on the HuffPo. That place will rot your brain faster than meth. Back to the topic, no it doesnt make you racist but it does toughen people up so they're not overly sensitive pussies who see racism in everything. I do think the experience of being in the real world and potentially seeing the terrible things that humans are capable of can make people more conservative when compared to living online and getting your "experiences" via twitter and youtube and the naiveness that some liberals demonstrate. However, as much as HuffPo might like to claim otherwise, being conservative and being racist are not the same thing.

[Radeghost]

Life does turn people racist.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Your comment can be applied to this thread in an interesting way.
First world liberals are exactly the people who are isolated from human contact with islamists, and they are the ones constantly protecting them saying things like "not all..."
Soldiers, on the other hand, have direct contact with these people. They walk in their towns, and see the cowardly and reprehensible things they commit. They learn from this, and some people call it racism? It's common sense, as I said. I'd rather trust the people with actual first hand experience.

Ok lets unpack this because this argument really, really really gets old, it is whataboutism, but I am not going to hand wave it.


Let's take white supremacist are they all the same?

NO, they aren't the KKK is a predominantly U.S Christian white supremacist organization full stop.

Nazi's are the German Workers National Socialist Party.


Most of those who fought and died against Nazi's were white, many were Americans, so does that mean the KKK won't invite the Aryan Brotherhood to the party this weekend?

Circumstances and situations can make strange bed fellows, but they are in the same bed none the less, whether it is a loose association or not.



Christians are a religious group does that mean all Christians are the same?

Hardly besides a core basic fundamental belief in the same GOD, there are very different ways and paths to worship, and this isn't a simple they like Vanilla we like Chocolate kind of a difference. Catholics and Protestants have gone to war with one another they have even killed one another as well.

However if it came down to an outside force or pecieved threat, they are going to probably find a way to ally.



When it comes to Islam there is much nuance with them as as the other groups.


Shiite Muslims vs Sunni or were you under the impression because they both worship Allah they all LOVE each other, they have a fucking blood feud that goes back centuries.


Chicago Street Gangs kill one another, who are predominantly black, Bloods, Crips, Vice Lords, Disciples, guess what they are all black, but they aren't all Ally's either, and everybody black isn't invited to one big BBQ.


But all of the above can make strange bed fellows when need facilitates it.




So now LIBERALS, and or Muslims, why the hell is that suddenly my truck, and why the fuck would or should everybody else feel the need to point out Liberals should care about this nuance.

Muslims don't need to be an ally, when faced with a greater threat, and just because some with a certain perspective see it a little different doesn't mean outwardly or objectively it makes any damn difference.



Knowing where things, come from what the process is for knowledge is important, but you can't give shit more significance just because it is your perspective over all. I don't have to be critical of all of the same people at the same time for it to be true, that I have more than one enemy.


Nobody is on TV suggesting Islam is their Ally on the Left, just like nobody is specifically saying that about Jews on the right, SOME do, but some have their own motives.

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Life does turn people racist.

Wrong, you are racist from your core, nothing changes that but delusion and an excuse.

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We don't see it as a character flaw.

You don't have to see a red stop light as meaning don't move your fucking vehicle before the cross walk, but I am sure you will figure it out.

[Tarshamy]

So those pics from Abu Ghraib were holiday snaps were they?
You people tend just ignore your own atrocities and fetishize the enemy's. There's a long history of the worst kinds of torture emanating from your country extending back to the School Of The Americas. Perhaps you'd like to look at some pictures of malformed Vietnamese kids still growing up with the effects of Agent Orange if you want to turn this into an atrocity exhibition, because believe me beheadings don't mean shit compared to that.

There is a pretty damn big difference between waterboarding/sleep depriving/humiliating captured enemy combatants for information and beheading/burning civilians alive by the thousands.

[Radeghost]

Wrong, you are racist from your core, nothing changes that but delusion and an excuse.

I've heard you can't be born racist. Racism will always exist, because it's not all wrong. People will never be equal. Various races are better than other in some fields. Some races are worse. Prejudices didn't come from nowhere anyway.
Of course I'm not talking about the "fuck niggers" / "fuck crackas" rhetoric, because it's just stupid.

[OrcsRLame]

This is an oxymoron. Either you believe in it or not.
If you want to make a reform, you'll have to give it a different name. Like the Christians did with Protestantism and the whole other branches.
All western (currently) peaceful muslims are part of the same religion as ISIS. They just arbitrarily decide to ignore certain parts of their own holy book (which is completely absurd when it comes to a religion, they are practically heathens).

Islam and Islamism are not the same thing. Islamism is political Islam.

I'm starting to feel like a fucking shill, but you should read Sam Harris' and Maajid Nawaz's book, Islam and the future of tolerance. Maajid directly addresses a lot of the arguments you're making in a direct manner.

I agree that a new name would help with branding. But, that being said, I would contest the claim that Catholics and Southern Baptists are a different religion. They are different sects within the same religion.

For the record, ISIS are not full literalists. For example, they ban their members from drinking alcohol, not from drinking wine like the Quran says. So they don't necessarily hold the "literal high ground" in all cases. As far as I can gather, part of Maajid's goal is to delegitimize Wahhabist interpretations of the Quran and to call into question the legitimacy of certain Hadiths. He's our modern day Martin Luther.

[Doctor Amadeus]

I've heard you can't be born racist. Racism will always exist, because it's not all wrong. People will never be equal. Various races are better than other in some fields. Some races are worse. Prejudices didn't come from nowhere anyway.
Of course I'm not talking about the "fuck niggers" / "fuck crackas" rhetoric, because it's just stupid.

Well that is a delusion different doesn't mean not equal. Nor does it determine value, this is a fucking stupid idea in the face of the facts. Various races are better in some fields out of design, tradition and environment. Just because one group can be demonstrated to be superior does not conclude why that is.

And any fucking fantasy bullshit or make believe not withstanding doesn't change that. Prejudice comes from an innate sense of awareness that stems from something natural and useful, paranoia and superstitious however, come from wanton thinking and a small mind or limited intellect trying to cope.

In general regardless to who you are, if you have the same the appropriate nutritional access and are in an environment of not only other intelligent people or more, but with those who are smart enough as well. Then your odds at doing just about anything are pretty even.

If you follow the logic you laid down which is not logic not all races are the same because not all people are the fucking same and contrary to popular belief, NO you can't fucking just tell the differences based on looks.

That includes forensics pathology or anything else. You can make educated guesses but often times they are fucking wrong, and scientifically, that isn't something reliable.

[Tarshamy]

NO, they aren't the KKK is a predominantly U.S Christian white supremacist organization full stop.

None of the (modern day) white supremacists are as violent as muslims. You can go through the Bible belt as a black person without getting burned alive or beheaded. Try doing the same as a Christian in an ISIS territory.

Christians are a religious group does that mean all Christians are the same?

There are dozens of derivations for Christianity. Some are nutjobs, some are not. Islam does not split like that, there are only sunnites and siites and they are both violent.
If someone wants to split Islam and make a non-violent version, he should come out and do it already.

So now LIBERALS, and or Muslims, why the hell is that suddenly my truck, and why the fuck would or should everybody else feel the need to point out Liberals should care about this nuance.

Liberals need to be pointed out because they are the ones, in Europe for example, that call for peaceful mourning, candle vigils and so on after every single terrorist attack instead of instant retaliation.

just like nobody is specifically saying that about Jews on the right, SOME do, but some have their own motives.

Israel is literally a far right lead country, and getting dangerously close to nazism, with overwhelming support from the people. They also had plenty of nice first hand experience with muslims that pushed them to the right. A nice friendly liberal Israel would have been wiped out ages ago.

[DJ117]

Ok lets unpack this because this argument really, really really gets old, it is whataboutism, but I am not going to hand wave it.


Let's take white supremacist are they all the same?

NO, they aren't the KKK is a predominantly U.S Christian white supremacist organization full stop.

Nazi's are the German Workers National Socialist Party.


Most of those who fought and died against Nazi's were white, many were Americans, so does that mean the KKK won't invite the Aryan Brotherhood to the party this weekend?

Circumstances and situations can make strange bed fellows, but they are in the same bed none the less, whether it is a loose association or not.



Christians are a religious group does that mean all Christians are the same?

Hardly besides a core basic fundamental belief in the same GOD, there are very different ways and paths to worship, and this isn't a simple they like Vanilla we like Chocolate kind of a difference. Catholics and Protestants have gone to war with one another they have even killed one another as well.

However if it came down to an outside force or pecieved threat, they are going to probably find a way to ally.



When it comes to Islam there is much nuance with them as as the other groups.


Shiite Muslims vs Sunni or were you under the impression because they both worship Allah they all LOVE each other, they have a fucking blood feud that goes back centuries.


Chicago Street Gangs kill one another, who are predominantly black, Bloods, Crips, Vice Lords, Disciples, guess what they are all black, but they aren't all Ally's either, and everybody black isn't invited to one big BBQ.


But all of the above can make strange bed fellows when need facilitates it.




So now LIBERALS, and or Muslims, why the hell is that suddenly my truck, and why the fuck would or should everybody else feel the need to point out Liberals should care about this nuance.

Muslims don't need to be an ally, when faced with a greater threat, and just because some with a certain perspective see it a little different doesn't mean outwardly or objectively it makes any damn difference.



Knowing where things, come from what the process is for knowledge is important, but you can't give shit more significance just because it is your perspective over all. I don't have to be critical of all of the same people at the same time for it to be true, that I have more than one enemy.


Nobody is on TV suggesting Islam is their Ally on the Left, just like nobody is specifically saying that about Jews on the right, SOME do, but some have their own motives.

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Wrong, you are racist from your core, nothing changes that but delusion and an excuse.

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You don't have to see a red stop light as meaning don't move your fucking vehicle before the cross walk, but I am sure you will figure it out.

Funny. The red stop light is what many saw, which resulted in the people retaking their countries in the West.

[Tarshamy]

I
I'm starting to feel like a fucking shill, but you should read Sam Harris' and Maajid Nawaz's book, Islam and the future of tolerance. Maajid directly addresses a lot of the arguments you're making in a direct manner.
As far as I can gather, part of Maajid's goal is to delegitimize Wahhabist interpretations of the Quran and to call into question the legitimacy of certain Hadiths. He's our modern day Martin Luther.

That's fine, but the question is if people will accept it and follow it or not. Without followers it's just a propaganda book.