Sylvanas, Alleria, Vereesa - Your predictions for the future

[Shampro]

If only, but I doubt it. So far, the clubhouse lead is "Blizz failed" on the years-long "Alleria learns about EVERYTHING that happened since she left mid-second war" pay-off.

I'd say they are doing it as they intended it, by which I mean taking a crap on the Horde, talking behind her back and right in the face of the Horde PC.

Though like said before, it's not all lost as the tone in which they speak of her is one of 'her life has been pretty shit'', which could lead to interesting developments. Or I could be completely wrong and they just want another forced faction conflict but this time on a family level.

[pateuvasiliu]

Can you please stop lying? Thank you.

And what did I lie about?

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Who even knows Ner'zhul is/was the Lich King? I don't remember there being some major coming out where he's like "ooh look at me, I'm ner'zhul reborn as a stronger being" blah blah. It seems like only KJ, archimonde, anetheron, tichondrius, mephistroth, Arthas, and Bolvar would know who he really was. He's always referred to as the "lich king" after he's encased in the armor.

edit: looking over warcraft 3 mission transcripts, it seems as though Arthas makes mention of ner'zhul being the lich king during his initial assault on undercity to kel'thuzad, it would make sense sylvanas would know as well as she is one of the commanders under arthas during the mission.

edit 2: during the curse of the blood elves campaign, ner'zhul is only mentioned as having opened gateways. Kil'jaden never comments to illidan, kael'thas, or vashj about him being the lich king, and only talks with illidan about destroying "the lich king"

Warcraft3 undead units shout " FOR NER'ZHUL " all the time.

[Al Gorefiend]

Probably execute her for her crimes against her people actually

Aha. Hahahaha.

Rommath or Lor'themar being competent. Funny stuff.

If any of the BEs were to step up and enact vengeance, it'd be Aethas or Liadrin. Apparently the only two blood elves in all the land capable of doing things without being pompous assholes or worrying a nail might break.

[anaxie]

What of it? The Blood Elves had already fucked up by:

1. Feeding on living creatures

2. Fel

3. Exiling those who refused to do 1 and 2

4. Joining the Horde, which includes undead that capture living and experiment on them/turn them into abominations as well as Orcs that burned Quel'thalas

5. Everything Kael did

6. All they did to M'uru

What, you think all that is forgiven just because the Sunwell si back?

The High Elves should never go back to QT. Those aren't sins you can wave off.

You just like saying things qhile understandong none it of it seems

[Friendlyimmolation]

Aha. Hahahaha.

Rommath or Lor'themar being competent. Funny stuff.

If any of the BEs were to step up and enact vengeance, it'd be Aethas or Liadrin. Apparently the only two blood elves in all the land capable of doing things without being pompous assholes or worrying a nail might break.

You mean Aethas the guy who would fuck over his people for a pat on the head from daddy Khadgar?

[Al Gorefiend]

You mean Aethas the guy who would fuck over his people for a pat on the head from daddy Khadgar?

Khadgar's been just as fucked over from the Horde as Alleria has. His ability to forget and forgive for the greater good is role model material for the begrudging little elf bastards. Whom BTW flip-flop on their allegiances at every little grievance like a spoiled child mad at their parents.

[anaxie]

Who even knows Ner'zhul is/was the Lich King? I don't remember there being some major coming out where he's like "ooh look at me, I'm ner'zhul reborn as a stronger being" blah blah. It seems like only KJ, archimonde, anetheron, tichondrius, mephistroth, Arthas, and Bolvar would know who he really was. He's always referred to as the "lich king" after he's encased in the armor.

edit: looking over warcraft 3 mission transcripts, it seems as though Arthas makes mention of ner'zhul being the lich king during his initial assault on undercity to kel'thuzad, it would make sense sylvanas would know as well as she is one of the commanders under arthas during the mission.

edit 2: during the curse of the blood elves campaign, ner'zhul is only mentioned as having opened gateways. Kil'jaden never comments to illidan, kael'thas, or vashj about him being the lich king, and only talks with illidan about destroying "the lich king"

His acolytes used his name frequently back then ot was FOR nerzhul. Not for the lich king

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Aha. Hahahaha.

Rommath or Lor'themar being competent. Funny stuff.

If any of the BEs were to step up and enact vengeance, it'd be Aethas or Liadrin. Apparently the only two blood elves in all the land capable of doing things without being pompous assholes or worrying a nail might break.

Your point is questionable. You call rommath useless and then mention Aethas the king of blunders?

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Khadgar's been just as fucked over from the Horde as Alleria has. His ability to forget and forgive for the greater good is role model material for the begrudging little elf bastards. Whom BTW flip-flop on their allegiances at every little grievance like a spoiled child mad at their parents.

Yeah the OLD horde. None of which the current horde resembles. Especially now.

Everyone flipped on garrosh

When have the blood elves flip flopped. When their prince tried to lead them to ruin with the legion and they stood against him?

When they left the alliance that kicked them while their people were suffering a near genocide and still on the front lines with their prince nonetheless?

When they forgave the kirin tor against Rommsthd eishes for what they let Garithos do only to be hunted down in the streets a few years later by their the high elves and jaina while the kirin tor sat idle once again?

Blood elves forgave the Humans and kirin tor for their atrocities. TWICE

Blood elves have evolved.

The humans of stormwind are still huge fuxking bigots
The high elves mirrior their human masters as bigots0
Untol recentky the dwarves couldnt even get along
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Lastly

The old alliance is mostly in the horde. Almost all of the people of the kinngdom of Lordaeron and Stromguard are Forsaken.

The Elves of Quel Thalas are Horde

So the new alliance has...... stormwind who didnt so a single thing in the entire third war to help the north. And gilnease the worst member of the old alliance and another person who didnt do a thing to help strom and lordaeron in the third war.

Ponder that

[pateuvasiliu]

When have the blood elves flip flopped

When they tried to rejoin the Alliance behind Garrosh's back?

[Thalassian Bob]

When did that happen?

As for Sylvanas, Alleria has plenty reasons to loathe her. Sylvanas has been evil since the end of TFT.

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You got it the wrong way. You don't become a wretched from not sucking magic, you become one from sucking too much.

The Blood Elves chose the evil/easy way out of their hunger by drawing on a Naaru/living beings/Fel.

The High Elves took the high road and proved that they didn't need to throw morals in the garbage in order to survive.

Vereesa calls Varian "(her) king", she married a human, has two half-human children and resides in a majority-human city and has pledged herself to a human-lead faction. She's pretty into those gorilla-armed round-ears.

The high elf disdain for the blood elf siphoning of magic from living creatures only makes sense if every protesting high elf is also a vegetarian. Otherwise their disapproval is utterly absurd. Getting magical nourishment from living creatures is the exact moral equivalent of eating meat.

The blood elves had to get magic wherever they could. They had to fight off the Scourge and reclaim their lands. They couldn't do that while writhing around in agony, suffering from acute withdrawal. The high elves of the Silver Covenant had the luxury of safety and security to deal with their magical withdrawal in a more holistic fashion in Alliance towns or simply got given magical artefacts by their human allies to sustain them (like Vereesa got her magic fix from Rhonin).

The only elves who could condemn the blood elves for consuming Fel are the high elves of Quel'Lithien who stayed to defend Quel'Thalas but turned away when Kael'thas brought back the Fel crystals. But, even they succumbed to their cravings and fell into wretchedness.

The Silver Covenant do not have a moral leg to stand on.

[Zulkhan]

Shea a high elf not a blood elf, sure there the same thing but the alliance does have high elfs with them.

Alleria's an High Elf in the same way Trolls are non-Night Elves because they were never mutated by the Well. She was never involved in the events of the actual split, split occurred because a few Blood Elves (later renamed High Elves again) thought that sucking mana from vermin was way too beneath them. Alleria fucking meddled with the fucking Void. Are we really sure she would sympathize with High Elves in any shape or form? I mean, the literal only thing she could appreciate of (some) of them is their Alliance allegiance, given how her stance on the Horde is rather bitter still.

They are all high elfs not blood elfs, it's like the dranei all dranei are eradr but not all eradar are dranei.

The difference is that only Velen's relatively few followers renamed themselves Draenei. When Kael'thas did that he had the vast majority of his surviving people following him. Only exceptions were the High Elves following Jaina and those trapped in the Outland. That's it. Everyone else was renamed Blood Elf. Hell, the currently Alliance-aligned High Elves on Azeroth have been Blood Elves at some point too.

[pateuvasiliu]

Vereesa calls Varian "(her) king", she married a human, has two half-human children and resides in a majority-human city and has pledged herself to a human-lead faction. She's pretty into those gorilla-armed round-ears.

The high elf disdain for the blood elf siphoning of magic from living creatures only makes sense if every protesting high elf is also a vegetarian. Otherwise their disapproval is utterly absurd. Getting magical nourishment from living creatures is the exact moral equivalent of eating meat.

The blood elves had to get magic wherever they could. They had to fight off the Scourge and reclaim their lands. They couldn't do that while writhing around in agony, suffering from acute withdrawal. The high elves of the Silver Covenant had the luxury of safety and security to deal with their magical withdrawal in a more holistic fashion in Alliance towns or simply got given magical artefacts by their human allies to sustain them (like Vereesa got her magic fix from Rhonin).

The only elves who could condemn the blood elves for consuming Fel are the high elves of Quel'Lithien who stayed to defend Quel'Thalas but turned away when Kael'thas brought back the Fel crystals. But, even they succumbed to their cravings and fell into wretchedness.

The Silver Covenant do not have a moral leg to stand on.

Lmao all of you people likening vegetarianism with drawing creatures.

Maybe if we bit into the cow and sucked their blood to death you'd have a point. We kill them humanely.

Meanwhile blood elves drained creatures of their essence until they withered into nothingness.

The high elves of the Silver Covenant had the luxury of safety and security to deal with their magical withdrawal

Plenty high elves were left in Quel'thalas and refused to succumb to the evil actions of the blood elves.

The lore says about 10% of the remaining blood elves refused and were exiled.

[Combatbutler]

Lmao all of you people likening vegetarianism with drawing creatures.
Maybe if we bit into the cow and sucked their blood to death you'd have a point. We kill them humanely.

You mean like worgen hunt for prey tearing them apart going for the throat, savoring the kill

Meanwhile blood elves drained creatures of their essence until they withered into nothingness.

You mean the very manawyrms they once created out of arcane energies.

Plenty high elves were left in Quel'thalas and refused to succumb to the evil actions of the blood elves.

The lore says about 10% of the remaining blood elves refused and were exiled.

Considering they stooped to stealing artifacts or hid behind humans in their lands, which is a luxury the citizens of Quel'thalas didn't have. These high elves became dead weight to society with the survival of the kingdom at stake dragging everyone down consuming valuable resources, so yeah they got the boot.

[Thalassian Bob]

Lmao all of you people likening vegetarianism with drawing creatures.

Maybe if we bit into the cow and sucked their blood to death you'd have a point. We kill them humanely.

Meanwhile blood elves drained creatures of their essence until they withered into nothingness.



Plenty high elves were left in Quel'thalas and refused to succumb to the evil actions of the blood elves.

The lore says about 10% of the remaining blood elves refused and were exiled.

In the Burning Crusade intro trailer, we see the whole process of mana draining takes about... 4 seconds tops? Most livestock animals in a universe of WoW-level tech would probably be killed by having their throats cut. They'd take a lot longer to die that way and probably be more stressed out as well.

That 10% does not represent all the people who disagreed with Rommath's mana siphoning techniques. That number just represents all the elves who did not become blood elves. That would mean groups like the high elves still in Dalaran, the elves of Quel'Lithien, the Allerian high elves stuck in Outland, those at Quel'Danil, pirates like Thalo'thas Brightsun, booze sellers like Gilveradin Sunchaser and all those elves in human settlements like Elsharin.

Many of the elves I mentioned don't have a problem with blood elves. They maybe couldn't get back to Quel'Thalas in time to help, presumed it was completely lost or just didn't care to go back but had no strong feelings either way (maybe they no longer had familial ties there).

[anaxie]

When they tried to rejoin the Alliance behind Garrosh's back?

Because they garrosh was treating them exactly how garithos did

[Shampro]

Thinking it through, this whole thing has the potential to be the closest to a interesting political plot thread that WoW could have akin to Game of Throne's first few seasons since...a long time? Afterall, even though two of them are similar in idiology and personality (Alleria / Sylvanas), one of them should be kinda stuck in the middle due to ''history'' and how things are now, specially since it's both thier homeland.

We'll see if they don't make it go to waste and turn her into another Jaina, 50/50 on what direction they'll take I feel.

[anaxie]

Exactly high elves went to live saftely in human lands. Blood elves had to fight their withdrawl while rebuilding their kingdom that was infested with scourge of kel'thuzad who had an iron grip on ghostlands and the plaguelands
The fought every day to push the undead back as they continued to march up the dead scar. All while still fighting off their ancient enemy the Amani.

Who helped the blood elves. Veressa and her people left them to die. Why should she love uncomfortably. And then the forsaken reached out sending aid to help them.fight the scourge and keep them out of eversong woods. Finally giving the blood elves some respite.

[Deleted]

You know like oh Alleria 92%of our entire race is dead and the Sunstrider dynasty is gone thanks to the sonnof King Terenas.

Garithos wanted to execute every single elf aided by the kirin tor.

She didnt suffer the betrayal of their prince

So, Alliance is responsible for Arthas but blood elves "suffered the betrayal" of Kael'thas? Nice double standard here.

And by the way, if we continue the blaming game, both Arthas and Garithos were Lordaeronians. Lordaeronians are now Forsaken, so the people whos prince destroyed the homeland of blood elves and whos Grand Marshal wanted to execute loads of blood elves together with their prince are now part of the Horde, led by Sylvanas.

[Al Gorefiend]

Because they garrosh was treating them exactly how garithos did

Yeah? And how did Garrosh treat everyone else who wasn't an Orc?

Oh but because they are your precious elves, they must have had it sooo bad they had no choice but to switch sides, right?

[Friendlyimmolation]

Yeah? And how did Garrosh treat everyone else who wasn't an Orc?

Oh but because they are your precious elves, they must have had it sooo bad they had no choice but to switch sides, right?

Vol'jin wanted to leave momentarily too, is he a spoiled child in your eyes too? Is baine the only good character to you?

[Thalassian Bob]

Yeah? And how did Garrosh treat everyone else who wasn't an Orc?

Oh but because they are your precious elves, they must have had it sooo bad they had no choice but to switch sides, right?

Well apparently it was Varian who reached out to Lor'themar, not the other way around.

We know Lor'themar (like every other sane leader of the Horde) was dissatisfied with Garrosh's rule, but we don't know how seriously the Regent Lord would have taken Varian's offer. It would have been a big risk for Silvermoon to turn on Sylvanas considering Quel'Thalas' proximity to the Undercity and Sylvanas' forces.