Legion - Assassination Discussion

[Truelegacy]

All the auras are just back to live values-no nerf there.I guess they still experiment.Assasin needs a little bit dps -that 6% looked fine.As for the aoe that some mention i have no problem at all.You just open from stealth garrote all the mobs and run ruptures and you are golden.If bomb procs you just destroy everything.But even without bomb you can sustain 1.5-2mill cleave dps on trash packs.

[Nekroman]

My weapons are even ap, sub slightly higher ilvl(943 vs 940) assass slightly better triats(3x ma vs 2x gutripper/1x shadowblades) both use 900 cof or 915 glaives and 920 mast stat stick, shoulders and their respective bracers. I use maiden ring for both and crit vers sub and crit mastery assass. Neck from host. Di bracer. Avatar boots. Assass is better for me on di, maiden, and avatar. I dont think sub smashes assass like most people think it does. They are pretty close, each better in certain situations. This raid tends to favor sub is all mostly due to shruken combo.

Speaking for my gear and my playing not for everyone. I play both, and my conclusion is that assass is entirely viable. Still hate pb tho.

[elfporn]

My weapons are even ap, sub slightly higher ilvl(943 vs 940) assass slightly better triats(3x ma vs 2x gutripper/1x shadowblades) both use 900 cof or 915 glaives and 920 mast stat stick, shoulders and their respective bracers. I use maiden ring for both and crit vers sub and crit mastery assass. Neck from host. Di bracer. Avatar boots. Assass is better for me on di, maiden, and avatar. I dont think sub smashes assass like most people think it does. They are pretty close, each better in certain situations. This raid tends to favor sub is all mostly due to shruken combo.

Speaking for my gear and my playing not for everyone. I play both, and my conclusion is that assass is entirely viable. Still hate pb tho.

I am in a similar situation, though my assassination weapon is miles ahead of my sub weapon. When playing sub i'm unable to get close to my performance as assassination. Of course there are comfort levels and such to take into account, but even so, i believed the hype.

Also, it seems like poison bomb is proccing less than it was earlier in the tier. I get fewer lucky pulls, and have been getting more pulls, even 5min+ pulls with zero procs, which has never happened before.

[nocturnus]

Yeah, SiN clearly needed these nerfs.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/13#dataset=90

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The aura was changed back to the value it currently is on live (7.2.5), there is no nerf.

[Skylarking]

So, any comments on the assass buff incoming? What about the netherlight crucible for assass?

[RobertoCarlos]

Yeah, SiN clearly needed these nerfs.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/13#dataset=90

:')

Wish I had a dollar for every time someone was sarcastic and linked those non-misleading averages in a pretty graph

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I wonder why the broken aoe specs boomkin and aff lock are top

[nocturnus]

:')

Wish I had a dollar for every time someone was sarcastic and linked those non-misleading averages in a pretty graph

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I wonder why the broken aoe specs boomkin and aff lock are top

Yeah, mythic Goroth has loads of aoe, right? Oh wait, it's a pure ST fight.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...032&dataset=90

[Varolyn]

Yeah, mythic Goroth has loads of aoe, right? Oh wait, it's a pure ST fight.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...032&dataset=90

Good thing assassination is getting buffed on Tuesday. (before anyone mentions how it's only getting buffed because of the crucible, it's still going to get a performance increase relative to others).

[Eazy]

So, any comments on the assass buff incoming? What about the netherlight crucible for assass?

NC Traits from the discord:

[RobertoCarlos]

Yeah, mythic Goroth has loads of aoe, right? Oh wait, it's a pure ST fight.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...032&dataset=90

Ok so reroll Unholy DK if they are so amazing.

I could have sworn method stacked rogues for mythic KJ first kill.....hmmm must be imagining it because rogues are low on a graph.

[Varolyn]

NC Traits from the discord:

Interesting thing here is that assassination appears to scale with the tier 2 traits better than sub. Of course it's rng on what you get, but it appears assassination gains more with each trait compared to sub minus light speed, unless if the sub one got updated.

[nocturnus]

Ok so reroll Unholy DK if they are so amazing.

I could have sworn method stacked rogues for mythic KJ first kill.....hmmm must be imagining it because rogues are low on a graph.

That was Avatar and that had nothing to do with DPS.

Why would I roll DK? I never said I didn't like the Rogue class, I merely stated a fact: That SiN is among the weakest specs in game, dps-wise.

Stop your knee-jerk reactions and actually read.

Good thing assassination is getting buffed on Tuesday. (before anyone mentions how it's only getting buffed because of the crucible, it's still going to get a performance increase relative to others).

I don't think those changes will affect our current position on the dps meter since other classes are also receiving buffs through the item level jump. Without this "buff" the discrepancy would grow even more. I predict this is going to keep us at our current position.

Look, I know dps isn't everything, which is why I was fine with not even appearing on the meter during AOE fights, but now we've dropped below everyone else on ST too. That doesn't seem right.

[permp]

Any ideia why some people are using EP+DP+EXS?

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Any ideia why some people are using EP+DP+EXS?

Thats the Bleed Build, if I'm correct. Some ppl just prefer to go this route, But it requires specific stats like mass vers.

[Deleted]

been away for a while, is there an competetive sin guide out there? rotations, relic traits ilvl comparison and so on.

[Deleted]

Any ideia why some people are using EP+DP+EXS?

The bleed build is slightly stronger than poison build in ST and cleave. The only way poison pulls ahead is Poison Bomb luck. Exsang's damage is consistent, given you play with subterfuge. Otherwise, with nightstalker, it is the same old story: you need BotA during the Zoldyck time frame (especially with Vanish).

Bleed requires a specific gear setup, i.e. a lot of crit. With Mantle, crit rating is on par with agility (up to roughly 36%). With Zoldycks (which actually outperforms Mantle), the threshold is far higher (upper 40% range). Only dedicated people play Exsang or even Sin these days. And if they don't change or buff he next tier's set bonus, exsang will be in dire straits.

[elfporn]

The bleed build is slightly stronger than poison build in ST and cleave. The only way poison pulls ahead is Poison Bomb luck. Exsang's damage is consistent, given you play with subterfuge. Otherwise, with nightstalker, it is the same old story: you need BotA during the Zoldyck time frame (especially with Vanish).

Bleed requires a specific gear setup, i.e. a lot of crit. With Mantle, crit rating is on par with agility (up to roughly 36%). With Zoldycks (which actually outperforms Mantle), the threshold is far higher (upper 40% range). Only dedicated people play Exsang or even Sin these days. And if they don't change or buff he next tier's set bonus, exsang will be in dire straits.

afaik this hasn't been true since EN....

Poison build has been the higher dps route ever since. Unless something changed that i'm unaware of

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afaik this hasn't been true since EN....

Poison build has been the higher dps route ever since. Unless something changed that i'm unaware of

T20 is a bleed tier. And they reverted the 4P nerf which pushes it even further ahead. The difference is so small though that it is negligible, especially with all the randomness involved. The subspecs of Sin in T20 are extremely well balanced. A shame this isn't the case when looking at the rogue specs in general.

[Varolyn]

Item - Rogue T21 Assassination 2P Bonus When you use Envenom, your Deadly and Wound poisons have 15% increased chance to critically strike for 6 sec.
Item - Rogue T21 Assassination 4P Bonus When your Deadly or Wound poisons critically strike the target, you have 100% chance to gain 4 Energy.

Now that is what i'm talking about for a tier bonus! Looks like the crit from envenom affects other targets now, too!

Edit: Just tested it out, and the 2 piece is indeed a self-buff similar to envenom, so both tier bonuses are useful in cleave/aoe along with being good in ST as well.