Argus questline for alts

[Dolsiac]

Been gone for a while but coming back its already grind fest having to do the same quests with all the chars. I agree it sucks but honestly doesn't take too long and you could just stay in the first area if you were just farming chests etc. I am hoping they will do the typical catch up mechanism late in the patch that stream lines it for alts much more.

[PragmaticGamer]

I am leaning towards getting my alts to 900, then focusing them on chores. Getting all the readily available profession recipes, getting their champions to 900 (doubt I'll bother going for 950), getting their class mounts and order hall transmog.

My main will eventually reach 75 artifact traits, finish all archaeology rares, maybe reach 12 traits on fishing artifact, then meander around until 8.0.

Then work on some Alliance alts. I want to see their areas for TBC to Legion.

There will probably be another pre expansion catch up, so I can get my alts up to speed before the next release.

[Thage]

I imagine much like the Nightfallen rep gating, and being able to go right to Argus on alts once you finish the Broken Shore 110 intro, come 7.4 or during the expansion lull (whichever comes first) they'll loosen up Argus requirements to make catching up faster on your alts in preparation for the next expansion launch.

[Doffen]

Yeah, I also read the post were they said most WQ would be accountwide, and that is a bit disappointing, but thats mostly what I think its bad in 7.3. Saying that, the last part of the questline was definetely worth doing on the alts. Best Veiled Argonite farm there is

[Eapoe]

1 hour to unlock everything through the dungeon? There's more than an hour of RP in that set of quests, much less travel time and actually doing them.

For a geared character that can actually burn thru most of the enemies they need to while skipping the ones they don't? Yeah, it's roughly an hour. How much travel do you think you do? With all the waypoints unlocked for alts, skipping cinematic, and knowing how to traverse the actual places you have to go thru, it's very fast. I'll credit you maybe 1-2 hours tops, but there is no way there is over an hour of RP.
When I did this placeon my Rogue, I was 743 equipped ilvl, I started with 2h35m /played when I got there, when I was done with the storyline and did 3 Rifts, I was at roughly 5h15m. Now, obviously I could stealth thru a lot, but when you factor in I avoided almost every fight I could and some of the quest mobs I actually had to wait for someone with better gear to come along and help me kill it, this is a very fast quest chain.
Keep in mind, even if the forced RP (not the shit you can skip like every cutscene) is an hour long, there's only about 30-45 minutes of kill X/loot Y for someone with gear. Considering most of the forced RP is roughly 30 seconds to 1 minute a piece and there's maybe 20 of these that happen, that's at most 20 minutes.
True, I didn't include the dungeon in the storyline, so that's why I bumped into up to 2 hours. As I said, roughly 3 hours playing straight thru the story as an undergeared alt up to the dungeon, I don't think that's that unreasonable for the payoff.

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I imagine much like the Nightfallen rep gating, and being able to go right to Argus on alts once you finish the Broken Shore 110 intro, come 7.4 or during the expansion lull (whichever comes first) they'll loosen up Argus requirements to make catching up faster on your alts in preparation for the next expansion launch.

What requirements? The content is already pretty quick to complete (even undergeared if smart about it), and as in a previous post by the time I was done I went from 9 traits in my weapon to 52, added 2 910 relics and an 880 (started with 0), 2 880 trinkets, 880 chest, and 885 shoulders. Took 3 hours to make it thru for all that.
Also, keep in mind they will probably keep Artifact catch-up rolling with the new AK coming out as well to make it even faster.

[Kaiarra]

I keep trying to do a bit of the campaign for my alts every few days but damn, half the of the time is spent waiting for NPCs to finish talking. I love the RP the first time through, but after that I just want them to shut up and give me the next quest. Not to mention that first set of quests in Argus where you have to kill 5+ demons to click on one NPC/pylon, with tonnes of patrols, and patrolling elites? Yeah...that shit makes me just want to log off right there; downright awful on a semi-geared alt, let alone a fresh one.

I wouldn't bother at all if it wasn't mandatory to unlock the world bosses. Clearing all the WQ/rares every day on my main burns me out with Argus in itself; I honestly don't know how people can manage to clear through Argus WQ on multiple chars (your boredom thresholds must be through the roof).

[rhorle]

An hour still seems on the fast side. The better geared you are certainly the faster it goes. I just hit 110 on my Demon hunter alt and went to Argus right away. After two rares I almost had all of the launch traits. I did wait for others to kill the rares. And I unlocked the first set of world quests about an hour total. This included travel time back to class hall, 5 or so deaths and corpse run backs, and all of the RP and stuff you can't skip (some you can run to teleport to destination and skip some).

For a fresh 110 I'd so about 2-3 hours for the whole campaign. For a geared alt you should be able to do it in 1-2 hours. Or at least be almost done with week 3 content.

[alt-ithist]

An hour still seems on the fast side. The better geared you are certainly the faster it goes. I just hit 110 on my Demon hunter alt and went to Argus right away. After two rares I almost had all of the launch traits. I did wait for others to kill the rares. And I unlocked the first set of world quests about an hour total. This included travel time back to class hall, 5 or so deaths and corpse run backs, and all of the RP and stuff you can't skip (some you can run to teleport to destination and skip some).

For a fresh 110 I'd so about 2-3 hours for the whole campaign. For a geared alt you should be able to do it in 1-2 hours. Or at least be almost done with week 3 content.

How did you go straight to argus? Hit 110 on my mage a couple days ago, the argus questline hasn't triggered. Not even the broken shore one. Working on my class questline now hoping that's all I need to get done to trigger them.

[Deleted]

after finishing Argus campaign on first toon, iam happy to have all my 8 mains 940+, so i dont need to waste 7-14h of my precious lifetime on (senseless) repetition of an allegedly content heavy and alt-friendly content-patch. unlocked WQs should be account-wide. wait, i dont need WQs at all. so fak Argus, fak Netherlight Crucible, i already unsubbed, cuz i dislike Casino 7.3, its just not fun, but grind.

[rhorle]

How did you go straight to argus? Hit 110 on my mage a couple days ago, the argus questline hasn't triggered. Not even the broken shore one. Working on my class questline now hoping that's all I need to get done to trigger them.

Once I did the broken shore start quest (you can skip the scenario once one character on account completed it) I went back to dalaran and the Argus quest line was added to my log. So it wasn't "straight" to Argus but I didn't do anything else other then get my flight masters whistle and start broken shore. Class hall quest line is definitely not required.

[Deleted]

IMO what you are talking about isn't an issue with how the rep works for alts, it is an issue with what they have chosen to lock behind rep. Exalted almost always gives you something you want, but would have to earn independently on each alt. That is what is the same about how rep has always worked.

And personally, with the whistle, if I am going to be doing enough on Argus for it to make a difference, I am going to be exalted anyway. I think there are bigger things to complain about, like how obnoxious it is to get a relic and not be able to use it or even know how good it is without going to the effing crucible. But whatever, we all get to complain about what we want to complain about.

I am almost done with Army of Light (13.5K/21K) on my main, and still have about 9,6K/12K for the Argussian reach, missed out some single quests, but did all emissaries available. I used DMF buffs to the extreme when doing WQs etc. - but there is a massive imbalance in regard of the amount of WQs for these factions. And rep tokens from OH missions are too random to count them in.

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I keep trying to do a bit of the campaign for my alts every few days but damn, half the of the time is spent waiting for NPCs to finish talking. I love the RP the first time through, but after that I just want them to shut up and give me the next quest. Not to mention that first set of quests in Argus where you have to kill 5+ demons to click on one NPC/pylon, with tonnes of patrols, and patrolling elites? Yeah...that shit makes me just want to log off right there; downright awful on a semi-geared alt, let alone a fresh one.

I wouldn't bother at all if it wasn't mandatory to unlock the world bosses. Clearing all the WQ/rares every day on my main burns me out with Argus in itself; I honestly don't know how people can manage to clear through Argus WQ on multiple chars (your boredom thresholds must be through the roof).

Only thing that motivates me to do this is the goal of getting more shots on rares with mount drops, getting gear upgrades for mage tower challenges and getting new profession patterns. I will probably spend more time in Argus than in Broken Shore (which was minimal, mostly concetration on the storyline concluding with class mount quests), but probably less than I was on TI.

[Lord Pebbleton]

It seems my 10 alts will never see Argus. At least they kinda nerfed the mount questlines.

[Deleted]

I thought they said in their interview that I don't have to do the questline EVERY FUCKING TIME on every alt. I just want the recipe for the Jewelcrafting crowns.

1.5hr questing is to much to ask for an alt?

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It seems my 10 alts will never see Argus. At least they kinda nerfed the mount questlines.

If you play 10 alts, are you doing wqs on every single one each day? If you do that you can find time to do the quest line. If not just do the questline when you want to play the alt in Argus.

[Deleted]

1.5hr questing is to much to ask for an alt?

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If you play 10 alts, are you doing wqs on every single one each day? If you do that you can find time to do the quest line. If not just do the questline when you want to play the alt in Argus.

I have priorised my alts by professions, and only run WQs if I have time, which is not always the case. Still have to get my JC and engineer to Argus, because I also need the paragon mount from High Mountain, which is also interfering with some extra emissaries (HM+KT). :/

At least they have some mounts in Argus simply at exalted. But the straws are collecting on my back... So, if someone thinks there are too few healer / tanks for dungeons out there - here's the reason. World quests are eating up my time, so I cannot run dungeons with my healer and tank alts anymore. I bet I am not the only one.

It's so much worse than MoP dailys actually.

[Deleted]

The RNG (never so intertwined with grinding as in Legion btw) as well as timegating (arbitrary one week timer for AK, upped from 5 days, + weekly batches of 40min content, even worse in 7.2) is just here to mask how shallow the content really is. Cant believe how unpolished some stuff still is (PTR loading screens in invasions, debuff saying "movment increased by...", ranked arenas giving 10 honor for losing and 0 for winning etc...) and how the invasions is all rehashing of previous exp content... The quality and polish of Blizzard games is not here for me... Patches and the no of issues seemed to improve by every expansion until 7.2 really seems to have started a trend of some sort...

Anyway, making it so you need to do it all over again on your alt is just them trying to prolong the time it takes for this realization in you to emerge.

[Deleted]

I have priorised my alts by professions, and only run WQs if I have time, which is not always the case. Still have to get my JC and engineer to Argus, because I also need the paragon mount from High Mountain, which is also interfering with some extra emissaries (HM+KT). :/

At least they have some mounts in Argus simply at exalted. But the straws are collecting on my back... So, if someone thinks there are too few healer / tanks for dungeons out there - here's the reason. World quests are eating up my time, so I cannot run dungeons with my healer and tank alts anymore. I bet I am not the only one.

It's so much worse than MoP dailys actually.

I get that, but if you want an economic advantage of having JC and Eng recipes you can also put in some time. Again totally understand your point, BUT what is it worth if you dont have to put effort/time into it? Want all profession recipes -> work for it. Just my opinion :P.

[faithbane]

I just did it on 4 alts yesterday and the whole thing took me like 3 hours? I wasn't even rushing.. Really you don't have time to do a quest chain that takes less then an hour on an alt?

[Kaiarra]

Only thing that motivates me to do this is the goal of getting more shots on rares with mount drops, getting gear upgrades for mage tower challenges and getting new profession patterns. I will probably spend more time in Argus than in Broken Shore (which was minimal, mostly concetration on the storyline concluding with class mount quests), but probably less than I was on TI.

I just put my alts through the Exodar quest and stop there. Can farm all the toys, mounts and pets you like without bothering to do the campaign again (you just aren't allowed WQ or the world boss or the dungeon (no loss there)). I just can bring myself to do WQ on more than one char per day with the super tedious terrain pathing and the mob density (and the daze).

I farm the cats for eggs, and houndmaster/wrangler/rosula and call it a day for my alts

[Tradu]

yeah, it bothers me when people want to play alts and want certain content (in this case, their free 930 weekly world boss and world quests) but refuse to go through the means of unlocking them.

but i suppose they won't stop until they are just getting gear/ap mailed to them on their alts

It's almost as if people enjoy some parts of the game(in my case primarily raiding), so having to unlock all the other crap on every character in order to be able to participate in the things they enjoy is just a boring, annoying chore. The story quests are fine the first time around, but they have 0 replay value and are not fun to do. Alts already get fucked in so many ways with crap like Crucible traits and legendaries, having at least some stuff be at least a little bit alt friendly(like WQ unlocks being account wide) would be great.

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That's not really an issue. We will reach AK 55 mid december, and just playing the app and the daily emissary you should easily reach AP 75 mid february, probably even earlier.

Yeah, it'll "only" take literally months even at max AK. Sick system.

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it takes about 3 hours to do the questlline on a char
do it one char per every other day
4 weeks and your done ,there at a minimal 1.5 hours a day

btw back in BC (Dont know why i said cata) you had to level chars without heirlooms, and had NO HELP for their reps and on each and every character you had to do the whole atonement process.

And they changed that since, because it was a miserable experience, only to return it in Legion for god knows what reason.

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1.5hr questing is to much to ask for an alt?

1.5 hours is being optimistic, but even so, that's definitely too much repetitive, boring crap to do on every character, yes. We already have levelling to supply repetitive, easy, boring content, no need to require "levelling" again at max level.

[Lord Pebbleton]

If you play 10 alts, are you doing wqs on every single one each day? If you do that you can find time to do the quest line. If not just do the questline when you want to play the alt in Argus.

No, they are my cash cows through the mission table. I'm not going to sit through the same dialogue I've already seen 10 times over.