Trumpcare Back From Dead Again: Cassidy-Graham Cruelest Version Yet, Has 49 Votes

[Fugus]

Oh now I see, its a misunderstanding. I'm using the standard definition for liberal, the one used by Europeans/left wingers in the US. Sanders supporters don't really see themselves as liberal.

Evidently you aren't. The liberals typically went for Sanders, not Clinton.

Who do you think made up the Sanders base?

[Poopymonster]

Evidently you aren't. The liberals typically went for Sanders, not Clinton.

Who do you think made up the Sanders base?

Those goddamn pinko commies.

Did I do it right?

[Fugus]

Those goddamn pinko commies.

Did I do it right?

Nope, you nailed it.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

The debate:

Quality of services, over availability of services.

On one side, people are afraid that if everyone has access to healthcare, the health system quality will go downhill. Bigger wait time, which means bigger odds of getting something dangerous untreated. It also means that you have higher odds of getting sick next to a large amount of other sick people.

On the other, people think that healthcare is a right. If the system can't handle the weight, then the system is inherently wrong. There's no reason Cheryl and her three kids shouldn't access a qualified doctor just because she's a single mother and can't afford it. It's utterly selfish to let people, who cannot do better, suffer.

I side with the latter, since I strongly believe that waiting a few hours for your cold is nothing compared to a single mother with a child who has a pneumonia.

[Vyuvarax]

Evidently you aren't. The liberals typically went for Sanders, not Clinton.

Who do you think made up the Sanders base?

You're both sort of correct. Classical liberals went for Clinton. Social liberals went for Sanders.

#knowyourliberals

[Nellise]

This guy is fun: http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare...-payer-systems

I like how he says the bill is to give states flexibility, but only if you do it the way I want it done (so not really flexible at all).

[Kujako]

This guy is fun: http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare...-payer-systems

I like how he says the bill is to give states flexibility, but only if you do it the way I want it done (so not really flexible at all).

That's more or less the Republican party platform. "States rights!" unless you do things we dislike, then the Federal Government will stop you.

[Wvvtayy]

I hope it passes.
I was watching Morning Joe this morning and Joe Scarborough (who is a former Republican congressman) described their latest attempt perfectly, "my friends in the Republican party must really want Nancy Pelosi to be speaker of the house again in 2018" .

Let the Republicans fuck us badly enough to all but guarantee Democrats take back the house next year and the Senate in 2020, then let them clean up their mess and have control of the government again, seems like the best course of action at this point.

[Crissi]

I hope it passes.
I was watching Morning Joe this morning and Joe Scarborough (who is a former Republican congressman) described their latest attempt perfectly, "my friends in the Republican party must really want Nancy Pelosi to be speaker of the house again in 2018" .

Let the Republicans fuck us badly enough to all but guarantee Democrats take back the house next year and the Senate in 2020, then let them clean up their mess and have control of the government again, seems like the best course of action at this point.

best course of action for people that dont have anything to lose like you apparently dont, sure. People like me though kinda need it to stay around.

This is why partisan ship is trash. Be willing to sacrifice people's needs for your party control later down the line. for fucks sake

[Kujako]

I hope it passes.
I was watching Morning Joe this morning and Joe Scarborough (who is a former Republican congressman) described their latest attempt perfectly, "my friends in the Republican party must really want Nancy Pelosi to be speaker of the house again in 2018" .

Let the Republicans fuck us badly enough to all but guarantee Democrats take back the house next year and the Senate in 2020, then let them clean up their mess and have control of the government again, seems like the best course of action at this point.

So you want people to potentially die, so that your team can win. Neat!

[Wvvtayy]

best course of action for people that dont have anything to lose like you apparently dont, sure. People like me though kinda need it to stay around.

This is why partisan ship is trash. Be willing to sacrifice people's needs for your party control later down the line. for fucks sake

It's a matter of ripping the bandage off fast, it'll hurt but it's better than ripping it off slowly prolonging the pain.

[Crissi]

It's a matter of ripping the bandage off fast, it'll hurt but it's better than ripping it off slowly prolonging the pain.

by hurt, you mean people may die or suffer. Thanks for your uncaring, selfish attitude, dude. I rather not have to go without insurance cause pre existing condition protection got removed, resulting in the high likelihood I screw my family over when I end up in the hospital.

[JohnBrown1917]

Evidently you aren't. The liberals typically went for Sanders, not Clinton.

Who do you think made up the Sanders base?

Like I keep saying, you're using the defintion used by American centrists/conservatives. Sanders is not a liberal.
I don't want to turn this into a semantincs argument again, so lets just say it was an misunderstanding, okay? You now know who I ment, the right wing capitalists.

[Wvvtayy]

by hurt, you mean people may die or suffer. Thanks for your uncaring, selfish attitude, dude. I rather not have to go without insurance cause pre existing condition protection got removed, resulting in the high likelihood I screw my family over when I end up in the hospital.

So you'd rather Republicans stay in power even longer giving them even more time to rip up Obamacare? All that's doing is keeping you safe in the short term while getting fucked just as much if not more in the long term....

[Breccia]

So you want people to potentially die, so that your team can win. Neat!

Please stop saying that.

The GOP is the one pushing this bill. They are the ones preparing to have people lose health care, and suffer the results as a direct consequence. They are the ones who will call that a "win". Blaming anyone else, especially nameless nobodies like us, is intentionally misrepresenting the situation. If a nameless nobody is a bad person for hoping this passes, what does this say about the people who wrote it, put it into law, and do so against the proven will of the American people?

[Crissi]

So you'd rather Republicans stay in power even longer giving them even more time to rip up Obamacare? All that's doing is keeping you safe in the short term while getting fucked just as much if not more in the long term....

yep. I prefer Republicans that waste enough time to get nothing done because internal strife over your shitty policy. Who is to say when the Dems come back it would even get back into place? That would require 2010 level of majority and thats unlikely to happen. SO they'd still need to play nice with Repubs. Id rather keep what we have.

Again, people's lives are more important than your partisan hackery.

[Kujako]

Please stop saying that.

The GOP is the one pushing this bill. They are the ones preparing to have people lose health care, and suffer the results as a direct consequence. They are the ones who will call that a "win". Blaming anyone else, especially nameless nobodies like us, is intentionally misrepresenting the situation. If a nameless nobody is a bad person for hoping this passes, what does this say about the people who wrote it, put it into law, and do so against the proven will of the American people?

And Wvvtayy is cheering them on, so that his team can score political points. Just as deplorable to me. Both are playing with peoples lives and treating it like a game.

[Wvvtayy]

yep. I prefer Republicans that waste enough time to get nothing done because internal strife over your shitty policy. Who is to say when the Dems come back it would even get back into place? That would require 2010 level of majority and thats unlikely to happen. SO they'd still need to play nice with Repubs. Id rather keep what we have.

Again, people's lives are more important than your partisan hackery.

Democrats only need 24 seats to secure a majority. They lost 61 in 2010.

[Crissi]

Democrats only need 24 seats to secure a majority. They lost 61 in 2010.

Unlikely in the Senate, especially with the makeup in 2018. There's not nearly enough repub risky seats up to make a 61 majority.

and asking people to wait until 2020 is an utterly idiotic idea

[Breccia]

Just as deplorable to me. Both are playing with peoples lives and treating it like a game.

We will have to disagree on this, because it sounds like you're saying "there is deplorable behavior on many sides, on many sides" when comparing the GOP writing and passing this bill in direct opposition to the will of the American people, and a nameless nobody on MMO-C who says he hopes it happens, but has zero control of it. I will choose to aim my ire on the situation on the people who created it, not the people who cheer it on.