What the hell is happening with the video-game market?

[GennGreymane]

So are you blaming LoL for that or something? You're confusing me by jumping to something completely different.

Loot boxes for cosmetics doesn't give an advantage, boosts/outright buying stuff in LoL does.

Im not blaming LoL for anything, but to say it does not affect you is wrong.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Sadly the video game industry is a triangle of Money, Time and Quality.

You can only choose two corners, the third has to be sacrificed.

Money - Make the game cheaply/on a budget
Time - Make the game quickly
Quality - Make the game good/high quality

Most companies are choosing money and time at the expense of quality.

The best games I've played tend to ignore the time factor and focus on quality and keeping within their budget so as not to go bankrupt half way through development.

The game takes longer as funds are slow to come in, but the end result is usually pretty good.

I know you play dinvity from its thread how do you feel it does in the 3 aspects? 2 seemed to come out pretty fast didn't cost a ton and I'd really high quality if you ask me, wondering how you feel about it.

[GennGreymane]

It's because corporations have learned that people will pay no matter what. If everyone stopped buying early access games and demanded full games instead of DLC packs surely they would change their way. They simply want to make money and if we are foolish enough to pay for unfinished products why should they care?

Everything was awesome before because the technology wasn't there. When you had SNES you couldn't download game patches... no. Games had to be finished when they reached the customers.

Ignoring bugs, cut content, broken stuff, glitches, etc, etc.

I am the only person who watches AVGN?

[Lotus Victoria]

Ignoring bugs, cut content, broken stuff, glitches, etc, etc.

I am the only person who watches AVGN?

Are you ready for some action? Some action 52?

[GennGreymane]

Are you ready for some action? Some action 52?

Did we just become best friends?

[Rudol Von Stroheim]

Ignoring bugs, cut content, broken stuff, glitches, etc, etc.

I am the only person who watches AVGN?

Angry Video Game Nerd?

Yeah, watched it lots. Watched being the operative word. Been a while.

[Aeula]

I know you play dinvity from its thread how do you feel it does in the 3 aspects? 2 seemed to come out pretty fast didn't cost a ton and I'd really high quality if you ask me, wondering how you feel about it.

Time was sacrificed with D:OS 2. And it was worth it. The initial release date was for December 2016 after all. They let it cook another nine months and produced a masterpiece. Well worth the sacrifice.

[Viikkis]

Ignoring bugs, cut content, broken stuff, glitches, etc, etc.

I am the only person who watches AVGN?

Point taken!

[Lorgar Aurelian]

By EA I meant Early Access, not Electronic Arts, though those fucks do also have some shady practices these days.

Oh then ya I agree early access is pretty bad but I did buy divinity 2 on it because I wanted to support the company and missed the kick starter, though I never played it till launch.

[GennGreymane]

Point taken!

We always forget that games were ASSSSSS back then too

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Angry Video Game Nerd?

Yeah, watched it lots. Watched being the operative word. Been a while.

Just made a new vidya today actually lol.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Time was sacrificed with D:OS 2. And it was worth it. The initial release date was for December 2016 after all. They let it cook another nine months and produced a masterpiece. Well worth the sacrifice.

Oh your right I comptly forgot they had pushed it back.

[Rudol Von Stroheim]

We always forget that games were ASSSSSS back then too

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Just made a new vidya today actually lol.

I kind of wish he'd review newer stuff. Just tear it all apart for the hell of it.

[GennGreymane]

I kind of wish he'd review newer stuff. Just tear it all apart for the hell of it.

He does some games that are new, but not in the AVGN series, but on his other content.

[Jester Joe]

Im not blaming LoL for anything, but to say it does not affect you is wrong.

I'm not talking in some grand statements of economy/trends.

I'm just saying what happens in LoL specifically does not affect me, because I don't care for it, so I won't waste my time talking about it and why I hate it.

[Rudol Von Stroheim]

He does some games that are new, but not in the AVGN series, but on his other content.

But I like his AVGN character! >:

[GennGreymane]

I'm not talking in some grand statements of economy/trends.

I'm just saying what happens in LoL specifically does not affect me, because I don't care for it, so I won't waste my time talking about it and why I hate it.

Sure, but what works in some games will go into other games. Hate to break it to ya.

[Dys]

I see it as natural progression. There's major pushback and outrage when they try to charge more than $60 for a base game, inflation mandates that something has to give though. Since the price can't increase, initial quality will go down and methods to nickel and dime you to death will be employed. Now that those methods are established and being employed in a wider range, there's no coming back from it. This is what we're stuck with now, and it's just going to get worse. "Episodic" makings of full games (looking at you FF7 remake) is the next wave of shitbaggery to rape your wallet and the blame lies squarely on the consumer.

[Jester Joe]

Terraria has been getting free updates for year and years some of them massive. Divinity original sin got a full remaster free to every one who owned the game already.

Terraria and Minecraft are good examples, yeah, but they're also sadly not common is my point.

I mean, the free remaster thing was done by Skyrim also, but still, not common.

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Sure, but what works in some games will go into other games. Hate to break it to ya.

That isn't what I was talking about though when I said "that game doesn't affect me".

[GennGreymane]

But I like his AVGN character! >:

Its his friends who do it sometimes. They also always have some clips of them playing a game every monday

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Terraria and Minecraft are good examples, yeah, but they're also sadly not common is my point.

I mean, the free remaster thing was done by Skyrim also, but still, not common.

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That isn't what I was talking about though when I said "that game doesn't affect me".

But it does affect you. If they do something successful, it will go into other games and impact those games developments.

[Eazy]

Wc3 cost me about ~50$ and I had fun for years(with Editor I could make endless types of games, would still probably play if they had better anti-hacking system, plenty of DiscHackers and WallHackers).

Right now I'm able to buy some super-hero in App game for ~69,99$.

It's ridiculous and I completely agree - but it's the people who create the market, not the companies.