Garrosh was secretly a hero, or is it just a subverted character trope?

[Thage]

"Garrosh did nothing wrong" is the rallying cry of authoritarian WoW players everywhere. It's okay, guys, his boots're big enough for all of you.

Garrosh is an example of why Byronic heroes don't work when you take them out of a vacuum. It turns out being xenophobic, refusing to listen to counsel unless it comes from a sycophantic yes-man or a manipulative serial killer masquerading as a sycophantic yes-man, standing for your own honor and glory only, and using others as disposable cannon fodder doesn't win you many allies when it really comes down to it. It does, however, encourage what allies you had to turn on you and cast you down in favor of freeing themselves of your idiocy. Which was kind of the point of Lord Byron's heroes in the first place--hubris and doomed moral causes lend themselves to tragic figures, not heroes with a long and illustrious career.

[Zulkhan]

Title says it all.

It doesn't say shit, actually, considered how all of your parallels were garbage except for the second and the fourth ones.

[Reza2001]

Garrosh was not a hero

His personal Daddy Issues caused WoD , Then it caused Legion to happen ... Gul'dan came due to WoD , Garrosh is responsible for all the deaths he caused in Legion (Varian , Vol'jin , Y'sera , Tirion , The list goes on)

[Wildberry]

Ah yes, the whole "Hitl...uh, Garrosh did nothing wrong" club.

You called?

If by hero you mean a ruthless dictator/warmonger whose few honorable deeds is outshone by his unsatiable desire to rule and fuck up everything because daddy issues then yes he is a hero.

Dictators in fantasy settings are bad. Have we hit peak enlightenment thought?

[Skytotem]

He was a pure hero. It is a practise some agendas use. Take role models and call them 'villains'. In the end you end up with label and see characters personality through it.

Careful there, might cut yourself on all that edge.

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"Garrosh did nothing wrong" is the rallying cry of authoritarian WoW players everywhere. It's okay, guys, his boots're big enough for all of you.

Garrosh is an example of why Byronic heroes don't work when you take them out of a vacuum. It turns out being xenophobic, refusing to listen to counsel unless it comes from a sycophantic yes-man or a manipulative serial killer masquerading as a sycophantic yes-man, standing for your own honor and glory only, and using others as disposable cannon fodder doesn't win you many allies when it really comes down to it. It does, however, encourage what allies you had to turn on you and cast you down in favor of freeing themselves of your idiocy. Which was kind of the point of Lord Byron's heroes in the first place--hubris and doomed moral causes lend themselves to tragic figures, not heroes with a long and illustrious career.

A lovely summary, thank you.

[Nathreim]

He was a hero at first. Problem is he became obsessed with conquest in his own name and fell from grace. Like many Roman Emperors.

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Garrosh was not a hero

His personal Daddy Issues caused WoD , Then it caused Legion to happen ... Gul'dan came due to WoD , Garrosh is responsible for all the deaths he caused in Legion (Varian , Vol'jin , Y'sera , Tirion , The list goes on)

We did more to bring about Legion than Garrosh did. He had Gul'dan imprisoned but we let him go and set him lose on Draenor and Azeroth.

[Reza2001]

We did more to bring about Legion than Garrosh did. He had Gul'dan imprisoned but we let him go and set him lose on Draenor and Azeroth.

Didn't he knew how evil Gul'dan was in the Original Universe ? He could have finished him off right at the start of the cinematic , Instead he let him live ... He obviously wasn't a hero and most likely knew the consequences of letting Gul'dan live (like bringing up another plan so the Orcs can drink the blood of Mannoroth)

[IgnisVenom]

Garrosh died in Theramore.

[Deleted]

Title says it all.

Garrosh's mentor was Thrall, Vol'jin was not a super evil villain who wanted to rule everything, and Anduin was not seeking redemption.

Garrosh was a hero to all the orcs and a villain to everyone else.

Garrosh is more comparable to Hitler. I know, everyone is Hitler nowadays, but he really was.

[Melius]

ofc he was bad. i mean he expelled every non orc out of ogrimmar if im not mistaken, a pure horde comprised only of orcs. how someone would even side with him is beyond me considering the horde is made up of several races. kinda reminds you of some people in a not so long ago history doesnt it?

[FelPlague]

Garrosh was not a hero

His personal Daddy Issues caused WoD , Then it caused Legion to happen ... Gul'dan came due to WoD , Garrosh is responsible for all the deaths he caused in Legion (Varian , Vol'jin , Y'sera , Tirion , The list goes on)

dont forget he nearly caused the horde and alliance to pull out from assiting in udluar

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Careful there, might cut yourself on all that edge.

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A lovely summary, thank you.

Edge? You must live in quite a safe space if such mild comment appears to be egdy to you.

[deadman1]

Seems like too many people are taking this shitpost seriously.

[Aucald]

Garrosh was a great character in WoW's history, but he was certainly no hero and shouldn't be lauded as one in my opinion. He had a rich backstory, added some interesting moral and even sociopolitical complexity to the game's narrative, and most certainly went on to become a highly polarizing and controversial figure within the game universe. And while he did commit some heroic acts in his own personal history within the game his legacy is that of a tyrant and traitor to Azeroth itself.

[Sliske]

Title says it all.

Your story would make sense if (i'll just take Harry Potter, since hes first) Harry potter had:

- Harry Potter was a tough as nails, angry as fuck kid who is feared by practically all around him
- Harry Potter was not living at his aunts / uncles, but instead leading some sort of army against Voldemort, before the story even starts
- Harry Potter's mentor, Dumbledore, was an entity millennia old and wanted to kill every fucking thing in the universe
- Harry Potter's super power was gained from recovering Dumbledore's body and eating or absorbing parts of it
- Voldemort faught side by side with Harry against any and all dangers he faced
- Snape was the son of Voldemort, and Harry had repeatedly attempted to kill him

In otherwords, your story makes no fucking sense at all - much like Garrosh's

[Deleted]

Yes. Garrosh should get a redemption.

[Syegfryed]

and people still bite the bait

What is secret about it, he was a Hero till 1 patch before SoO where blizzard gave in to Alliance fan-boys and fucked him over.

that is, sadly true

[mickybrighteyes]

He caused WoD. He is the worst villain to ever exist.

no...
this guy caused WoD:


and this guy was also killed by Garrosh.... so Garrosh killed the person responsible for WoD, therefore he's the real hero of that expansion.

[Aucald]

no...
this guy caused WoD:


and this guy was also killed by Garrosh.... so Garrosh killed the person responsible for WoD, therefore he's the real hero of that expansion.

If Kairoz had been left alive WoD might've been a very different story. Garrosh is the main character who went on to make WoD what it was - so in my view he would remain the main character responsible for it.

[mickybrighteyes]

Also by what definition are we going with for hero?

Is it one that only brings up universal 'lawful good' as the example?