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  1. #321
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dmitro View Post
    America is bigger than sweden and has a different taxing system, its not correct to use your small country as an example for our policies.
    I'm not even Swedish, but OK. Universal healthcare works in every other country that introduced it decades ago.

    If you like to be robbed, be my guest.

  2. #322
    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    I'm not even Swedish, but OK. Universal healthcare works in every other country that introduced it decades ago.

    If you like to be robbed, be my guest.
    Better being robbed than being socialist!

  3. #323
    Quote Originally Posted by Dmitro View Post
    America is bigger than sweden and has a different taxing system, its not correct to use your small country as an example for our policies.
    Yes, we know, the US are exceptional, that means all common sense and tradtional knowledge fails where it concernes them, because they are the USA and special.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopymonster View Post
    Copay. You pay every month for insurance, then when you go to a doctor or get a prescription filled, you get to pay money for it. On top of what you pay every month for insurance.

    Deductable. You pay every month for insurance. But before the insurance company pays for anything like your surgery, go to the emergency room, or things that you get insurance to cover, you have to pay a certain amount out of your own pocket first. Amounts vary, and reset annually/go up annually.
    An infallible system to make sure your people only ever go and get medical care when they absolutely have to, when they have waited so long they absolutely cannot keep putting it off another day, when they have let the condition detoriate to a point where something that would have been a non-issue when treated in time becomes something life-threatening that takes thousands of dollars to fix instead of some two digit number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mistame View Post
    Consequences are fine, as long as it's not government supplying them.
    I disagree, I'd rather have something I have in input into controlling the limits of them than some company from half the world away.
    I trust my government which I vote for a lot more to make sensible rules than I trust, say, Google or Facebook.
    Remember how their algorithms spread the rumours about that random guy someone accused to have been the shooter in Las Vegas? How the news was pushed unchecked and without any indication that it was just a malicious lie connected to that name? Why does something like that happen? Because filter bubbles make them money, and that is all they care for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mistame View Post
    Individual freedom trumps "progress".
    Nope.
    That over-generalisation is not always true.
    Introducing a law to ban murder and setting up law enforcement after a civil war is "progress" but it dimishes "individual freedoms of mass murderers".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    Better being robbed than being socialist!
    Yes, you have to remember: The most important thing is that there is always someone else who is worse off whom you can point at an laugh!
    The worse off you personally are, the more important it gets to be able to easily identify someone like that. You do not have anything else to laugh about.

  4. #324
    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    I'm not even Swedish, but OK. Universal healthcare works in every other country that introduced it decades ago.

    If you like to be robbed, be my guest.
    To have a universal healthcare you should DRAMATICALLY change everything in the country, tax rates for businesses, individuals, clinics structure and so on.

    Its not just about healthcare, its also about governments overreach.

  5. #325
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dmitro View Post
    To have a universal healthcare you should DRAMATICALLY change everything in the country, tax rates for businesses, individuals, clinics structure and so on.

    Its not just about healthcare, its also about governments overreach.
    So, the US can't do what others can and did throughout the 20th Century?

  6. #326
    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    So, the US can't do what others can and did throughout the 20th Century?
    You mean turning into socialist countries like UK and Sweden? No thanks

  7. #327
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dmitro View Post
    You mean turning into socialist countries like UK and Sweden? No thanks
    Then, like Lahis said, better being robbed than being socialist?

  8. #328
    I don't get what's so special about healthcare. You have public schools, public police, public firefighters, public roads, public parks... But somehow, public healthcare is different... how?

    Would you prefer if you didn't have public police? You would pay for your own security company and they would answer that 911 phone call, and poor people wouldn't have it and in your head your safety would be better that way, somehow...

  9. #329
    Quote Originally Posted by Dmitro View Post
    To have a universal healthcare you should DRAMATICALLY change everything in the country, tax rates for businesses, individuals, clinics structure and so on.

    Its not just about healthcare, its also about governments overreach.
    The US government has always pays a lot for healthcare, as much as many countries that have socialized healthcare actually. Sweden pays about US$3k par year and person, wanna take a stab at how much the US federal government pays...yeah, about 3k (just shy of 1 trillion in 2014). Then you pay roughly 6k more per person and year in addition to this.

    So much for DRAMATICALLY.....

    oh yeah, forgot to mention that your healthcare loses out in virtually all statistics compared to comparable countries with socialized healthcare. Two types of people are winners in the US, people with breast cancer (the US is brilliant at this for some reason) and people that are very, very rich.The other 99% gets shafted unfortunately.

  10. #330
    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    Then, like Lahis said, better being robbed than being socialist?
    Better to still have absolute freedom of speech, guns and somewhat small government. ( you guys in europe dont know how good it feels)

    The same people who push for Uhealthcare are the same people for limiting "hate speech" and confiscating guns and also for creating various social programs.

    #NEVEREVER #betterdeadthanred

  11. #331
    Quote Originally Posted by Dmitro View Post
    You mean turning into socialist countries like UK and Sweden? No thanks
    Sweden isn't socialist, what are you even talking about?

  12. #332
    Quote Originally Posted by Under Your Spell View Post
    Sweden isn't socialist, what are you even talking about?
    Anything not USA might as well be a communist country.

  13. #333
    Hate speech lol.... what fa..... babies

  14. #334
    Europe just fined Amazon $300 million, likely to boost their approval ratings with European voters who hate America.

    Intel – 1.06 billion euros

    Microsoft – 899 million euros AND 561 million euros

    Facebook – 110 million euros

    Apple – 13 billion euros
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
    Europe just fined Amazon $300 million, likely to boost their approval ratings with European voters who hate America.
    So which European voters were this supposed to make happy?

    https://www.theguardian.com/business...ean-commission

  16. #336
    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    Then, like Lahis said, better being robbed than being socialist?
    The most important thing is to ensure there is someone who has it worse than you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
    Europe just fined Amazon $300 million, likely to boost their approval ratings with European voters who hate America.

    Intel – 1.06 billion euros

    Microsoft – 899 million euros AND 561 million euros

    Facebook – 110 million euros

    Apple – 13 billion euros
    You do not even know what the fine is for, who called for it and who does not want it. On top of that you add a silly reason as if it's for the "EU voter" base, not even knowing how the EU election cycle works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    You do not even know what the fine is for, who called for it and who does not want it. On top of that you add a silly reason as if it's for the "EU voter" base, not even knowing how the EU election cycle works.
    He is just projecting.
    He would like to fine EU companies just for being from the EU thus he assumes it must be the same for everyone in Europe, just in reverse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noradin View Post
    He is just projecting.
    He would like to fine EU companies just for being from the EU thus he assumes it must be the same for everyone in Europe, just in reverse.
    More to the point they ignore when making those comments that the EU does give fines to European companies as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fitheach View Post
    Zionism must be abolished.
    Why do you care you live in Cali lol?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
    Europe just fined Amazon $300 million, likely to boost their approval ratings with European voters who hate America.

    Intel – 1.06 billion euros

    Microsoft – 899 million euros AND 561 million euros

    Facebook – 110 million euros

    Apple – 13 billion euros
    Europe must be hard pressed for money when they already heavily tax their citizens.

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