ANTIFA Trying to Spark Civil War November 4th

[Theinquisition]

Damn, that's pretty awesome. I don't know of any place remotely like that around me (Bay Area), though we've also got far too many people looking for work who are overqualified so you're getting folks with years of experience frequently getting entry-level positions that are intended for fresh grads etc.

Thing is, that is just hourly, in our sales department it's 17.50 base rate with commissions. When I worked in sales I was averaging over 28$ an hour.

Was great when i was working on my undergrad.

Anyway, point is those jobs exist, if you're willing to put in the effort.

[Theodarzna]

Don't side with someone if you don't want to be accused of siding with them?

Did I side with somebody? I think you are being a bit quick on the draw.

[Rend Blackhand]

Wrong, like every word you bothered to type.

Dictatorial regimes killed people, not communism.
And socialism "Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production" = you're anti-democracy now? Literally totalitarian, which is "Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce, that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe."
So you're a fascist, by your own acknowledgement.

Incredible. Now if you criticise left wing politics that oppressed and murdered millions you're a fascist.....

[Daelak]

Thing is, that is just hourly, in our sales department it's 17.50 base rate with commissions. When I worked in sales I was averaging over 28$ an hour.

Was great when i was working on my undergrad.

Anyway, point is those jobs exist, if you're willing to put in the effort.

He's right, 28/hour job exists uniformly, in every place, at every time in the US. You aren't looking hard enough.

[Allybeboba]

I believe that was also Europe's attitude back in the 1930s as the Nazis were growing bigger, taking over Germany, and then strengthening their military.

How did that work out for them?

Can’t compare a country struggling to reconstruct itself after losing a World War to modern day.

[Bodakane]

Basic Education: Okay, I semi give this to you, though with the state of education, and how fucked up some schools are, this is a stretch.
Safe Environments: At will employment literally says otherwise.
Compitent Government: This has never been a thing, and will never be a thing. We are human, we're all bias, we all have ideals that will conflict with anothers. Not to mention there's no way to filter out corruption and influence from the wealthy.

I agree with you that these things aren't happening like they should, but in many cases there's nothing we can do about them. This is a hydra, if you cut down one lobbyist that's paying and influencing another will take it's place. There's really nothing we can do about this.

My disagreement with you is on your word of "owe", not on the statements you're generally making. These things "should" be provided. We should strive to make them even across the board, and we should fight for equality in these feilds. But to say that you're "owed" the labor of others because you were born on a piece of land, or have a paper saying you belong on that piece of land is something I don't agree with.

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Don't side with someone if you don't want to be accused of siding with them?

What is a stretch about what I said about basic education?

Safe working environments: OSHA, EPA, DOT say otherwise.

If you don't think government is capable of being competent then why in the hell are you on here talking about it? Why do you vote?

Your disagreement is irrelevant. We are OWED those thing in this society. There's documents, laws, taxes paid, etc. that absolutely show we are OWED things.

[Daelak]

Can’t compare a country struggling to reconstruct itself after losing a World War to modern day.

Of course you can, incendiary rhetoric and scapegoating minority populations for economic woes is a great parallel.

[Reverb256]

Authoritarianism is a matter of degrees; 1-100, not 1 or 0.
Every structure of order or hierarchy of competence has elements of authoritarianism, from a government to a corporation to a classroom.

So it isn't very meaningful to say that nationalism is authoritarian, and actually naive to claim that simply enforcing borders is some kind of immoral dealbreaker.

[Daelak]

Authoritarianism is a matter of degrees; 1-100, not 1 or 0.
Every structure of order or hierarchy of competence has elements of authoritarianism, from a government to a corporation to a classroom.
So it isn't very meaningful to say that nationalism is authoritarian.

A nationalist government imposing its subjective definition of who's "patriotic" enough would essentially be a totalitarian dictatorship where minority populations and political dissidents would be eliminated.

[Sunseeker]

Lol, have fun with that guys.

[Saverem]

Can’t compare a country struggling to reconstruct itself after losing a World War to modern day.

I can because they are the exact same kind of people. Extremist with extreme views that could potentially pull a country down a path to ruin.

The country will be MUCH better off without both the extreme left and extreme right. Both sides killing each other out would be good for the 95% of the population that don't belong to either side.

[GreenJesus]

https://refusefascism.org/2017/08/06...egime-must-go/



Honestly, I am with them. As part of the lower class in America whom is treated like dirt, I want civil war to spark. As a person on the shit end of this society, I welcome a chance to see it all burn because I have nothing to lose and all to gain. And my disenfranchised portion of the population is steadily growing.

Um.. okay.. Good luck with that buddy. Trump has control of the national guard and military you know. And I don't think you know what a civil war entails. After the 4 years Trump is gone. After 4 years the bodies who are killed in a civil war don't come back.

[bamf775]

Um.. okay.. Good luck with that buddy. Trump has control of the national guard and military you know. And I don't think you know what a civil war entails. After the 4 years Trump is gone. After 4 years the bodies who are killed in a civil war don't come back.

Its people like nanook that drive moderate liberals away from the left and are becoming more centrist. I miss classical liberalism.

[Toogoodman]

He's right, 28/hour job exists uniformly, in every place, at every time in the US. You aren't looking hard enough.

My office pays secretaries over $30 an hour starting, no college required. The jobs actually do exist, literally everywhere, people just dont want to put in more effort then they would working 20 hours at Micky Ds

[tss]

https://refusefascism.org/2017/08/06...egime-must-go/



Honestly, I am with them. As part of the lower class in America whom is treated like dirt, I want civil war to spark. As a person on the shit end of this society, I welcome a chance to see it all burn because I have nothing to lose and all to gain. And my disenfranchised portion of the population is steadily growing.

Lol, I look forward to you being mulch.

[Daelak]

Its people like nanook that drive moderate liberals away from the left and are becoming more centrist. I miss classical liberalism.

Not really. If you see aspects of modern conservatism, including the current leadership of the presidency and legislature appealing, you were never liberal/progressive.

[Toogoodman]

A nationalist government imposing its subjective definition of who's "patriotic" enough would essentially be a totalitarian dictatorship where minority populations and political dissidents would be eliminated.

Sounds a lot like the great purge in China and the USSR

[Daelak]

My office pays secretaries over $30 an hour starting, no college required. The jobs actually do exist, literally everywhere, people just dont want to put in more effort then they would working 20 hours at Micky Ds

Oh show me the job listings. Man I guess conservative internet heroes are just the most productive, most hard-working, intelligent, ambitious people who never tire to find the well paying jobs that are just around the corner.

[bamf775]

Not really. If you see aspects of modern conservatism, including the current leadership of the presidency and legislature appealing, you were never liberal/progressive.

Call it whatever you want, people with a conscience and good hearts are already leaving the left because of this garbage.

[Daelak]

Sounds a lot like the great purge in China and the USSR

Good job, those are two historical examples of what happens when you have a nationalistic country. Tell your buddy who can't reply with quote.