Majority of the World is obsolete content

[Ron Burgundy]

Is this a design flaw? Look at kalimdor and eastern kingdoms for example. All of it is leveling zones then it's done when you are max level, you never have business in those areas ever again.

Is there a solution?

[Super Kami Dende]

Is this a design flaw? Look at kalimdor and eastern kingdoms for example. All of it is leveling zones then it's done when you are max level, you never have business in those areas ever again.

Is there a solution?

gLobal scaling like Legion ZOnes.

[cparle87]

gLobal scaling like Legion ZOnes.

With how people flew into a firestorm of nerdrage when the mobs were made to scale a tiny amount with item level so they weren't complete pushovers can you imagine the cataclysm that would occur if people couldn't go back and curbstomp old content for crafting mats for mog or levelling gathering profs or something?

[Tome]

Make the game more like Guild Wars 2

[Dalheim]

With how people flew into a firestorm of nerdrage when the mobs were made to scale a tiny amount with item level so they weren't complete pushovers can you imagine the cataclysm that would occur if people couldn't go back and curbstomp old content for crafting mats for mog or levelling gathering profs or something?

Fairly simple to fix. All vanilla zones scales from 1-60, TBC from 58-70, etc,etc.

[Exeris]

With how people flew into a firestorm of nerdrage when the mobs were made to scale a tiny amount with item level so they weren't complete pushovers can you imagine the cataclysm that would occur if people couldn't go back and curbstomp old content for crafting mats for mog or levelling gathering profs or something?

I'm fine with scaling with lvl, scaling with gear is a bad idea as it takes away one of the main reasons to gear up, feeling your character grow in power.

[Dalheim]

You'd need to give some extra range than what predicted by expacs imo because otherwise you'd still have story breaks. So something like 1-62, 58-72, etc.

Fair enough. Still, one could just make it scale to expac. :>

[ali725]

Fairly simple to fix. All vanilla zones scales from 1-60, TBC from 58-70, etc,etc.

Don't mind that but just take away heirlooms so it lasts slightly longer then 1 or 2 days to get from 1-110 if you a real hardcore person lol. Or someone with a main.

At the end of the day it is hard to refix it since...well its old ...and like 50 levels away so Blizz way of using it is to send us back to it every once in a while from expansions.

[cparle87]

I'm fine with scaling with lvl, scaling with gear is a bad idea as it takes away one of the main reasons to gear up, feeling your character grow in power.

The scaling by gear was quite minor. You got 5% power, the mobs got 1%. So we didn't have things where a guy could walk into Dread Wastes, pull an entire mantid nest, and kill it in 1-2 hits. But players raged at even this, so now it's something like 0.2%.

[Bumbac]

Putting new content to old zones and make it phased. Hell I would not mind entire expansion without new continent.

[Charge me Doctor]

Is this a design flaw? Look at kalimdor and eastern kingdoms for example. All of it is leveling zones then it's done when you are max level, you never have business in those areas ever again.

Is there a solution?

Yes, create a new toon and use these zones.

[Pull My Finger]

This guy just discovered MMOs.

[Soeroah]

Fairly simple to fix. All vanilla zones scales from 1-60, TBC from 58-70, etc,etc.

I kinda thing it ought to be a bit more compartmentalised like that, to be honest.

For example, 1-30 for half the vanilla zones and 30-60 for the second half, TBC and Northrend from 58-80, Pandaria and Cataclysm from 80-90, WoD and Legion to 110 (next expansion) kinda thing.

That way you can in general skip a continent if you're not interested in it, get a choice between continents instead of having a linear progression of starting zones once you hit certain levels, etc.

[Charge me Doctor]

I kinda thing it ought to be a bit more compartmentalised like that, to be honest.

For example, 1-30 for half the vanilla zones and 30-60 for the second half, TBC and Northrend from 58-80, Pandaria and Cataclysm from 80-90, WoD and Legion to 110 (next expansion) kinda thing.

That way you can in general skip a continent if you're not interested in it, get a choice between continents instead of having a linear progression of starting zones once you hit certain levels, etc.

the problem is that blizzard left leveling zones in their blind spot. They keep throwing changes to the game without looking back on how it affects leveling experience.
It's just too trivial right now, i doubt that scaling will help a lot (because effectively it will be just a "+50% HP and damage buff"). They need a new cataclysm - completely revision leveling experience, maybe add a story-mode (a slightly harder mode that allows players to take it slow with leveling and enjoy it)

[tikcol]

It's not a world anymore

[Soeroah]

the problem is that blizzard left leveling zones in their blind spot. They keep throwing changes to the game without looking back on how it affects leveling experience.
It's just too trivial right now, i doubt that scaling will help a lot (because effectively it will be just a "+50% HP and damage buff"). They need a new cataclysm - completely revision leveling experience, maybe add a story-mode (a slightly harder mode that allows players to take it slow with leveling and enjoy it)

I mean, one of my more unlikely expansion ideas involved us basically returning to a new version of Azeroth after spending a couple expansions planet hopping, where the original is still accessible via some mechanism but we quest in a new Cataclysm-style revamped one with scaling, and you could choose which Azeroth to level on when you create a new character; the Cataclysm-era one, or the new post-Legion, zone-scaling-enabled version with properly paced leveling.

But that's terribly unlikely that it's more a wish.

[Tradu]

You'd need to give some extra range than what predicted by expacs imo because otherwise you'd still have story breaks. So something like 1-62, 58-72, etc.

Yeah, something along these lines would be good. Having full scaling would be dumb, it's fine to outgrow content. Not everything has to be relevant for every character forever.

[Lochton]

Is this a design flaw? Look at kalimdor and eastern kingdoms for example. All of it is leveling zones then it's done when you are max level, you never have business in those areas ever again.

Is there a solution?

Not a design flaw, just an old system.

And the solution is basically scaling but should be limited. The first 3-4 zones should be fixed levels for people, and then the scaling starts.

[Deleted]

Not a design flaw, just an old system.

And the solution is basically scaling but should be limited. The first 3-4 zones should be fixed levels for people, and then the scaling starts.

Only when the rewards also scale based on personal item level. Rewards should match the effort. If mobs scale, but not their loot, then leave things as they are.

[gushDH]

Game based on levels has zones that are for low levels and zones that are for high levels.

In other news, water is wet.