Arizona congressman repeats claim that Charlottesville violence was leftwing plot

[ati87]

Really? You have evidence that the "left wing" in Charlottesville started the fight? Because I haven't seen ANYTHING that they have evidence of it. BUT we do know that 4 right wingers that were there all went to jail. Christopher Cantwell was arrested for chemical weapons(aka crying little bitch), that Jason Kessler guy that arranged it was arrested for perjury, there was 1 guy that discharged a weapon within 1000 feet of a school, and then the terrorist himself.

If anyone started it, it was the racist douches that went through the streets chanting, ILLEGALLY BTW, that "Jews Will Not Replace US" and "Blood and Soil".

That last one was actually shocking. The uncle @@@@ aimed at a person and best case intentionally missed that said person but it could also just hit somebody else.

The fact that he only got charged with ''1000 feet'' crap is right-wing privilege at it's best

[Tijuana]

The two largest expenditures in US are socialist principles, in Social Security and Medicare. Nazi's socialism was a function of their nationalism. They told the League of Nations to fuck off, complained how the west was taking advantage of them, violated treaties they signed at the end of WW1 and went isolationist. What Nazis did in Germany, is a lot like what Trump is doing, but they used socialism as a means of displaying their nationalism. While Trump either doesn't understand what socialism is, as he signs off on millions of tax payer money going to American corporations... or just think his supporters are that stupid...

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Germany was socialist though. The problem is that people are trying to associate socialism as an economic construct, to the authoritarianism of its political. Hitler's socialism was nothing more than 'Germany first'. That's what actually triggered Germany's rise to power in spite of heavy sanctions. They pretty much just flipped off everyone and said Germany will be responsible for its own destiny, which resulted in socialist policy. Since the alternative, is difficult when you are isolated...

Remember, in modern politics, 'for the people, by the people, of the people' is socialist. The difference between Germany's socialism and American socialism, is that corporations are people too, my friend... it's rooted in Trump Corp being a job creator and people being moochers...

Of course the two biggest expenditures are Socialist. That's the WHOLE POINT of being anti-Socialist. I don't even...

I have no idea how you guys attribute everything to Trump. You must see him in your breakfast toast. Has he ever even commented on Socialism, even one time? Does he even know what Socialism means? Why on earth would you drag him in to this discussion, when you don't even know his position?

Also, the notion that you think the US president is cutting checks, and making financial decisions, shows you actually have no fucking clue how our government is arranged.

[Mormolyce]

It was Nazis, so how is it not left wing?? National Socialist party is Socialist.

Left wing isn't nationalist, and the Nazis were anti-Communists.

But you know all this, of course.

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Really? You have evidence that the "left wing" in Charlottesville started the fight?

Maybe they made unkind remarks about their shitty tiki torches.

[Tijuana]

Left wing isn't nationalist, and the Nazis were anti-Communists.

But you know all this, of course.

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Maybe they made unkind remarks about their shitty tiki torches.

Why are left wing people against patriotism though? I never really got that. Is it a self loathing thing?

[Bdatik]

Has he ever even commented on Socialism, even one time? Does he even know what Socialism means? Why on earth would you drag him in to this discussion, when you don't even know his position?

You're truly terrible at this.

Just a couple weeks ago:

Mr Trump then told the General Assembly: “The problem with Venezuela, is not that socialism has been poorly implemented, but that socialism has been faithfully implemented.”

He paused for a response but was met with awkward silence before sounds of murmured laughter could be heard, and eventually weak clapping.

The president then continued with his speech, stating: “From the Soviet Union to Cuba to Venezuela, wherever true socialism or communism has been adopted, it has delivered anguish and devastation and failure.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7956686.html

[Mormolyce]

Why are left wing people against patriotism though? I never really got that. Is it a self loathing thing?

I like how you hear the phrase "National Socialism", and the bit you don't like is the "socialism" part, not the "nationalist" bit that they actually were.

[Tijuana]

You're truly terrible at this.

Just a couple weeks ago:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7956686.html

Wow, I had missed that. Someone must have written that for him. It's actually quite a good quote.

[Machismo]

Why are left wing people against patriotism though? I never really got that. Is it a self loathing thing?

Patriotism often turns directly to nationalism, which is an authoritarian agenda. One would hope that liberals supported individual liberties, something nationalists oppose. Why should someone be patriotic towards a government that goes against their core beliefs? They shouldn't. And yes, nationalism is an anti-freedom stance.

[Tijuana]

I like how you hear the phrase "National Socialism", and the bit you don't like is the "socialism" part, not the "nationalist" bit that they actually were.

Yeah, I'm asking you what that is all about. Why is it wrong to be patriotic, or "nationalist"? Why is being pro-America evil, in the minds of leftists? I truly don't get it.

[Mormolyce]

Wow, I had missed that. Someone must have written that for him. It's actually quite a good quote.

Obviously it was, but:

The problem with Venezuela, is not that socialism has been poorly implemented, but that socialism has been faithfully implemented.

According to that article, he paused for a laugh after this. Even though it's clearly just an ideological statement, not a joke.

Or maybe even he's aware that the ideology he pretends to follow is a joke.

[Machismo]

Yeah, I'm asking you what that is all about. Why is it wrong to be patriotic, or "nationalist"? Why is being pro-America evil, in the minds of leftists? I truly don't get it.

Being a nationalist is an authoritarian stance. It's the antithesis of individual liberty.

[Bdatik]

Wow, I had missed that. Someone must have written that for him. It's actually quite a good quote.

You somehow missed a major UN speech given by Trump made just a couple weeks ago?

Oh honey... You're just not believable anymore.

[Sormine]

Yeah, I'm asking you what that is all about. Why is it wrong to be patriotic, or "nationalist"? Why is being pro-America evil, in the minds of leftists? I truly don't get it.

You're asking why nationalism is wrong? Do you not understand the downfall of societies that think their country is better than others simply by virtue of existing?

[Machismo]

You somehow missed a major UN speech given by Trump made just a couple weeks ago?

Oh honey... You're just not believable anymore.

Actually, he prides himself on being ignorant, so it's really not a stretch. He goes out of his way to be uninformed and misinformed.

[Bdatik]

Actually, he prides himself on being ignorant, so it's really not a stretch. He goes out of his way to be uninformed and misinformed.

I just searched the thread about the subject. Maybe he just doesn't follow politics (or anything) while he's banned?

[Machismo]

I just searched the thread about the subject. Maybe he just doesn't follow politics (or anything) while he's banned?

Facts really aren't his strong suit.

[Bdatik]

Facts really aren't his strong suit.

Oh I've noticed, hence my "Oh honey" comment. Really the only appropriate way to reply to him at this point, imo.

[Tijuana]

You somehow missed a major UN speech given by Trump made just a couple weeks ago?

Oh honey... You're just not believable anymore.

Who are you? Do I know you, or are you just on your burner account? Isn't it weird that there are so many posters here, with just a handful of posts, that speak as if we are old acquaintances? One would almost get the idea there is MASSIVE ban avoidance going on. Why don't you little scamps just be a bit nicer to the other children, and you won't have to make all these fake accounts, hrm?

Some people are not obsessed with everything Trump says, hanging on every word. So, whatever. You people probably see him in your pancakes too.

[Machismo]

Who are you? Do I know you, or are you just on your burner account? Isn't it weird that there are so many posters here, with just a handful of posts, that speak as if we are old acquaintances? One would almost get the idea there is MASSIVE ban avoidance going on. Why don't you little scamps just be a bit nicer to the other children, and you won't have to make all these fake accounts, hrm?

Some people are not obsessed with everything Trump says, hanging on every word. So, whatever. You people probably see him in your pancakes too.

Didn't you call me an asshole less than two weeks ago?

I guess people don't practice what they preach these days.

[Zython]

Why are left wing people against patriotism though? I never really got that. Is it a self loathing thing?

Probably because it leads to things like, dehumanization, excusing war crimes, and genocide.