Executive order to gut the ACA possibly incoming?

[Gray_Matter]

Of course, on the same note, this was the flaw with the ACA subsidies being something authorized by the Oval Office and not part of the Federal Budget, which they should have been.

The problem is that it was never going to get approved by congress. The GOP turned it into a political football. ACA was their attack that got them their large majority in the house.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Republicans: "Obamacare didn't raise premiums as much as we were saying it would on national television, so to make us retroactively not liars, we're going to gut funding and make premiums spike by our own hands!"

[PosPosPos]

Republicans: "Obamacare didn't raise premiums as much as we were saying it would on national television, so to make us retroactively not liars, we're going to gut funding and make premiums spike by our own hands!"

American conservatives are the worst self-fulfilling prophecies I have ever seen.

"See, people can't be trusted enough not to steal cookies if you leave them hanging around, proof is in the fact I just stole some!".

[LaserSharkDFB]

So:

WH refuses to pay the insurance companies because it was unlawful.
Per the CBO, failure to pay the insurance companies will, among other things, increase the deficit.
If Congress now covers the payments under appropriations, making them lawful, they will decrease the deficit.

We might have Congress doing the right thing in spite of itself (and Trump).

[Hammerfest]

Selling across states is allowed in ACA.

If that were true, there wouldn't need to be an executive order to make it happen.

[Felya]

If that were true, there wouldn't need to be an executive order to make it happen.

There isn't a need... Trump plans to do something that is not needed, just to get you to support him. He knows his support didn't watch or doesn't care, when Hillary called him out for saying this during the debates.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/...purchases.aspx

But... Trump told you he will use an executive order to do this? Here is a clue... Trump is scamming you again!

Oh and for the cherry on top of this cake of bullshit, from he article you linked:

Under ObamaCare, states are already allowed to let insurers sell plans outside their borders. No states have chosen to do so.

The executive order could also be portrayed as contrary to the Republican pledge of returning health care power to the states, which was the main argument behind the multiple ObamaCare repeal attempts.

[PACOX]

If he os so happy with plunging health insurance stocks then why not just single payer? The man is retarded.

[Felya]

If he os so happy with plunging health insurance stocks then why not just single payer? The man is retarded.

Because that won't make people like @Hammerfest happy. He is doing this for the sort of people who would praise him, by posting articles that contradict them selfs. This isn't about what is good for America, it's about what is good for Trump. The strangest thing here, isn't that a slimy politician would do it... it's that so many people only agree to it, because Trump/Bannon trained them to believe it.

Anyone who watched the debates or knows anything about ACA, would not be making a case that Trump's executive order to permit cross state insurance, will actually do anything. What healthcare providers will be in your area, that is inside the healthcare provider group, that several states away? It's logistically not profitable at all for insurance to do this. That is why it has not been acted through ACA and why insurance companies are waiting to see what is in his AO. Because they need us to make cross state lines sales lucrative, which they expect in the form of more government subsidies... not to the people, but insurance companies...

From @Hammerfest article:

We want to find solutions that deliver more choices, more competition, and lower costs. We will be looking forward to the details of what specifically will be proposed,” a spokeswoman for America’s Health Insurance Plans said in a statement to The Hill. “While cross-state selling has been offered as a solution” there are challenges “that need to be addressed for it to be a viable solution.”

Not making this shit up... they want the taxpayer, to make building infrastructure in outher states, more viable. That's why they didn't use them with ACA. They need the taxpayer to pay for it...

[Xeones]

So:

WH refuses to pay the insurance companies because it was unlawful.
Per the CBO, failure to pay the insurance companies will, among other things, increase the deficit.
If Congress now covers the payments under appropriations, making them lawful, they will decrease the deficit.

We might have Congress doing the right thing in spite of itself (and Trump).

They refuse to pay because the ACA won't fail so they have to force it to fail ignoring that they will shoulder the failure of what seems to be the entire insurance market.

This is going to hurt everyone not just poor people.

[ati87]

If that were true, there wouldn't need to be an executive order to make it happen.

Ignorance must be bliss because who know the right-wing would be lying and that the Trump admin would be doing something totally useless.

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles...icans-can-love

Buying health insurance across state lines has been proposed as an alternative to the Affordable Care Act – but it’s already in the law.

What the ACA probably doens't allow is to undermine the entire system.

[Zan15]

If that were true, there wouldn't need to be an executive order to make it happen.

So then i assume Aetna can only sell insurance in Connecticut right??

i guess BCBS can only sell in Georgia?

i guess Anthem can only sell in Wisconsin?

Do you even know what "selling across state lines" even means?


Did you even read the article you even posted?

"Under ObamaCare, states are already allowed to let insurers sell plans outside their borders. No states have chosen to do so. "



This move does nothing because

A- insurance companies don't need to sell across state lines, if they don't want to.

B- insurance companies already sell across state lines when THEY WANT TO.

C- You are not going to be able to buy a cheaper policy in State X and use it in State Y at State X cheap rates. Insurance does not work that way. You are not going to get some super cheap rate by buying your insurance from Iowa if you live in NJ. They are still going to charge you what it cost in NJ.

D- insurance companies are not going to set up networks in all 50 states, there is no money in it.


People really don't know how insurance works. Sad part is these sound bites will make people happy for the wrong reasons

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If he os so happy with plunging health insurance stocks then why not just single payer? The man is retarded.

lol 0-3% is plunging???? after a 80-200% move since ACA started...


Anthem Yesterday -3% --- Trump elected 120. Yesterday 184
United -.1% --- 161 --- 192
CIGNA -.4% --- 135 --- 186
Aetna -.9 ---- 122----153



he does not understand how little insurance companies make off ACA plans and how small of a business this is for large insurance companies

what he will hurt is the small/mid size insurance companies that moved into the ACA arena to build business to eventually be able to compete with the large insurance companies that are so in trenched with insurance issued by your workplace.

[Deleted]

Bye bye, Obamacare.....

“Republicans are meeting with Democrats because of what I did with the CSRs, because I cut off the gravy train. If I didn’t cut the CSRs, they wouldn’t be meeting. They’d be having lunch and enjoying themselves, alright? They’re right now having emergency meetings to get a short-term fix of health care, where premiums don’t have to double and triple every year like they’ve been doing under Obamacare. Because Obamacare is finished. It’s dead. It’s gone. It’s no longer — don’t — you shouldn’t even mention it. It’s gone. There is no such thing as Obamacare anymore.” - President Donald J. Trump, 10/16/2017

Trump is wisely dismantling every aspect of the Obama "legacy".

[Draco-Onis]

Bye bye, Obamacare.....

“Republicans are meeting with Democrats because of what I did with the CSRs, because I cut off the gravy train. If I didn’t cut the CSRs, they wouldn’t be meeting. They’d be having lunch and enjoying themselves, alright? They’re right now having emergency meetings to get a short-term fix of health care, where premiums don’t have to double and triple every year like they’ve been doing under Obamacare. Because Obamacare is finished. It’s dead. It’s gone. It’s no longer — don’t — you shouldn’t even mention it. It’s gone. There is no such thing as Obamacare anymore.” - President Donald J. Trump.

Trump is wisely dismantling every aspect of the Obama "legacy".

I know you are delusional but I will let you know anyways republicans and democrats have been meeting to fix Obamacare for months now. They only stop after every failed attempt that congress does, these bipartisan meetings did not start because of Trump's executive orders.

[Edge-]

Bye bye, Obamacare.....

“Republicans are meeting with Democrats because of what I did with the CSRs, because I cut off the gravy train. If I didn’t cut the CSRs, they wouldn’t be meeting. They’d be having lunch and enjoying themselves, alright? They’re right now having emergency meetings to get a short-term fix of health care, where premiums don’t have to double and triple every year like they’ve been doing under Obamacare. Because Obamacare is finished. It’s dead. It’s gone. It’s no longer — don’t — you shouldn’t even mention it. It’s gone. There is no such thing as Obamacare anymore.” - President Donald J. Trump, 10/16/2017

Trump is wisely dismantling every aspect of the Obama "legacy".

Except Republicans and Democrats were already in discussions after Trumpcare 4.0 completely failed. He's a few months (if memory serves, it's been a busy year) late on trying to claim credit for that.

Also he's not correct, it's not dead yet. It's now "dying" thanks to his decision to cut it down at the knees.

He's right though, there's no more Obamacare. This is Trumpcare now, he and Republicans own this disaster of Trump's own making.

Let's see how they like having some responsibility and ownership now.

[Deleted]

This is Trumpcare now, he and Republicans own this disaster of Trump's own making.

LOL - no way, shape, or form is this "Trumpcare". Just because folks like you conjure shit up out of thin air - with no basis in reality - does not make it so. Kinda like the delusional narrative that Puerto Rico is "Trump's Katrina" - you people just make this shit up to somehow justify your delusions.

"Obamacare" was Barry's signature legislation. It is what he wanted for a "legacy". Trump is not the one pushing healthcare (which is bullshit on it's own, this is not about healthcare - it is about INSURANCE) as his "signature legislation" or "legacy".

The Democrats created this - they fuck it up - and it is entirely THEIR mess. To try to push this onto Trump is fucking hilarious.

[Sky High]

hey guys, the situation that I put into effect? yeah it's those other guys' fault. ignore (lalalalalalalala) that my own party couldn't replace it even after they won so much.

[Edge-]

LOL - no way, shape, or form is this "Trumpcare".

Yes it is. Obamacare is "dead", remember? If it's dead, then what we have here is Trumpcare. If Trump and the GOP, who own this, don't like it, then maybe they should have figured out a solution before Trump decided to take action on his own.

Just because folks like you conjure shit up out of thin air - with no basis in reality - does not make it so. Kinda like the delusional narrative that Puerto Rico is "Trump's Katrina" - you people just make this shit up to somehow justify your delusions.

It kinda is. The federal response to Texas/Florida was fantastic...then then Puerto Rico happened and the administration is busy repeatedly disagreeing with Trump's comments and asserting that we wont' abandon Americans suffering in Puerto Rico...because Trump keeps referencing doing just that.

"Obamacare" was Barry's signature legislation. It is what he wanted for a "legacy". Trump is not the one pushing healthcare (which is bullshit on it's own, this is not about healthcare - it is about INSURANCE) as his "signature legislation" or "legacy".

It was, but the problem is that you kinda can't call it Obamacare when one of the key parts of it, CSR's, just got axed because Trump no longer wants to pay the lower cost for the CSR's and would instead pay the much higher costs.

The Democrats created this - they fuck it up - and it is entirely THEIR mess. To try to push this onto Trump is fucking hilarious.

No, Trump created this. He didn't need to end the CSR's and blow up the market and thunderfuck poor people while increasing federal expenditures (spoilers - this is going to cost the government more than if he hadn't done anything). That was his choice.

[Vyuvarax]

What Rancid clearly ignores is that the ACA is designed, at its core, to use subsidies to offset costs. You can't pull the funding that makes a law functional and then claim the law failed of its own accord. That logic only words on the ignorant.

With a change to the dynamic of the law and refusing to uphold the rule of law by enforcing the ACA, this is now Trumpcare through the exact means Republicans decried as illegal with DACA.

[Felya]

LOL - no way, shape, or form is this "Trumpcare". Just because folks like you conjure shit up out of thin air - with no basis in reality - does not make it so. Kinda like the delusional narrative that Puerto Rico is "Trump's Katrina" - you people just make this shit up to somehow justify your delusions.

"Obamacare" was Barry's signature legislation. It is what he wanted for a "legacy". Trump is not the one pushing healthcare (which is bullshit on it's own, this is not about healthcare - it is about INSURANCE) as his "signature legislation" or "legacy".

The Democrats created this - they fuck it up - and it is entirely THEIR mess. To try to push this onto Trump is fucking hilarious.

Another Hillary bot trying to make Trump supporters look bad. You guys actually believe that it's not TrumpCare, even though unlike Obama, he used an executive order? Time to get #WOKE... no more Hillarybots trying to make Trump look bad. It ends now!

[Gestopft]

The Democrats created this - they fuck it up - and it is entirely THEIR mess. To try to push this onto Trump is fucking hilarious.

Intentionally trying to tank the success of the ACA absolutely is on the G.O.trumP.

And let's not forget how unpopular the GoP bills on healthcare were: if there is one thing that has been revealed in the last ten months, it's that Republicans aren't going to win on healthcare anymore. They refuse to look at the core problem of healthcare costs, they'll never stand up to the lobbyists that have a vested interest in keeping the system as it is, and they don't have popular (or even good) ideas about how to fix our healthcare since they're trying to treat a budget problem instead of systemic healthcare problem. They just say "Obamacare bad" and use words like "choice" and "access," while every idea they've had would result in millions of people not having health insurance anymore.