I am just baffled by the Alliance fighting the Horde again, how do you defend it?

[Fayolynn]

#allianceshotfirst

#Thedarkportal

[Arrashi]

#Thedarkportal

#draeneibroughtlegiontodraenor

[Qualia]

Is everyone forgetting that the alliance generally despise most of the horde races? Not exactly thinking there needs to be a big reason for the alliance to attack horde.

Other than some exceptions with personal grudges (i.e: Genn & Sylvanas, or Rodgers against the Horde), as far as I know, the Alliance has stopped hating the Horde since after SoO. Pretty sure Anduin is at least neutral towards the Horde, even after Varian's death. There should be a big reason for him to go all aggressive against them - I mean, he wasn't even that aggressive against the Legion who killed his father.

[Fayolynn]

#draeneibroughtlegiontodraenor

#soitwasthelegionsfault

Also technically even though the Draenei brought the legion to Draenor, they still didn't strike first. They lived with the Orcs peacefully until the Orcs tried to wipe them out.

[Megas Elekmatos]

Sylvannas is warchief, you think the horde isn't going to come defend the Undercity and just let the alliance claim all of EK peacefully?

Really though, we DON'T HAVE THE FULL STORY. At least wait for the novel. Wait until we know the actual story and what happens before judging the story as bad.

No matter what story they come up with won't excuse any of this. Let's beat each other's brains in again until the next inevitable cosmic threat comes along. Then let's get together and sing along to peace and love when it returns. Etc etc.

[Aeula]

How do you justify the premise of all the other expansions.

Why unite to defeat the Legion? The Legion were a fucking joke. Our soldiers continued fighting eachother whilst champions took them down. There's no reason to pause the real war to deal with minor threats like the Legion, Old Gods and Voidlords.

[Mehrunes]

If Sylvanas were going after Stormwind first, I could understand it, but based on what was stated at the What's New panel, it was either Teldrassil or Undercity that kicked things off. I just can't see any logic to Sylvanas going after Teldrassil without something else instigating it.

And as the book snippet reveals, Sylvanas does want to attack Stormwind. Attacking a tree and revealing her hostile intentions, wasting the element of surprise on something that's not her main target, is just stupid.

Odds are the Horde starts it. Why do I say that? Because they are the ones who always start it. The First and Second Wars? The Horde started it.

The war that was going on during Cataclysm and MoP? The Horde started it. Ashran? The Horde started it.

Started by Varian in Wrath. The first act of aggression after the post-WotLK truce was Northwatch aggression against the Barrens.

Is communication really that hard for people in Warcraft? You'd think someone would go "By the way, the Broken Shore was a trap" to the Alliance leaders.

Either the Alliance leaders have been informed of the Horde's forced retreat and they simply don't care or Matthias Shaw and everyone in the Uncrowned are drooling idiots.

What truly is surprising here is that the full scope of Broken Shore's trap-ness was discovered in Stormwind, after Rogues exposed Detheroc and his infiltration of the SI:7. And no one in the main keep wondered what the commotion outside was?

[Aucald]

Orcs are the legion. You know ... alien invaders from another world trying to take over ours. End of story - Orcs... horde... you are the new legion that will be decimated.

I think the Orcs have bought themselves some legitimacy by working to save Azeroth from the Burning Legion twice. They're also not really trying to take over the world, they simply feel threatened by the Alliance encroaching on their land, and of course the legacy of the First and Second Wars still burn brightly enough. Besides, it's not as if the other Alliance races have a super-potent claim to Azeroth except by dint of being there longer. The Humans are descended from automatons made from alien demigods, as are the Dwarves and Gnomes - the Draenei are just as alien as the Orcs. Of the Alliance and Horde races only the Tauren, Trolls, Goblins, Pandaren, Night Elves, and Blood Elves are natural denizens of Azeroth (or at least products of evolution or mutations thereof).

[LaserChild9]

The Forsaken are one thing, but there is absolutely no reason the other races of the Horde, ESPECIALLY THE ORCS, would rally behind Sylvanas to wage war against the Alliance again after Garrosh. It just makes absolutely no fucking sense, especially in the wake of Legion craze.

She is their Warchief and the Horde (especially the Orcs) are all about honour so I see no reason they would not defend Undercity.

Like how do you even justify this premise? What would Illidan think of the fact the Alliance and Horde suddenly decide to fight each other over the Legion?

I agree the premise is a bit dumb. We have had 6 expansions where at the end of the day, the horde and alliance have worked together together to save the world, its a cold war at best. In the Legion intro Cinematic Sylvanas and Varian gave each other little nods of respect and Sylvanas saved Varian from the infernal. I thought this meant that attitudes were changing and at the end when Varian shouts "For Azeroth!" and not "For the Alliance!", it just seemed like they were finally accepting that they needed each other.

At the end of the day, I don't see the point in a faction war based expansion because they will join up AGAIN at the end, to beat someone else. Neither faction can ever win because both factions have huge player-bases, if one faction wins, the losing factions players will be pissed.

[Magnagarde]

The reason is Sylvanas. If you endorse a warchief that destroyed an entire kingdom and occupies another, then you're bound to share the consequences.

[corebit]

Anduin is being advised by both Genn and Velen, and Anduin seems to listen to Velen most of the time much to the chagrin of Genn. I have a hard time believing that Anduin suddenly gets manipulated so easily by Genn to attack Undercity first.

[Wilian]

During the Rise of the Lich King and on the authority of king of Lordaeron. Besides, the kingdom was still ultimately destroyed.

But he didn't. He dissolved The Silver Hand.

[Deleted]

Anduin is being advised by both Genn and Velen, and Anduin seems to listen to Velen most of the time much to the chagrin of Genn. I have a hard time believing that Anduin suddenly gets manipulated so easily by Genn to attack Undercity first.

Velen has been away for a while now; fighting the legion with us... haven't you noticed?

[Revamp Man]

The Forsaken are one thing, but there is absolutely no reason the other races of the Horde, ESPECIALLY THE ORCS, would rally behind Sylvanas to wage war against the Alliance again after Garrosh. It just makes absolutely no fucking sense, especially in the wake of Legion craze.

Like how do you even justify this premise? What would Illidan think of the fact the Alliance and Horde suddenly decide to fight each other over the Legion?

the legion has been dealt with

we dont know what happens but im guessing the horde burns tel down first probably after a windrunner sister fight and then they attack under city this is setting to be a world war

[Deleted]

The Forsaken are one thing, but there is absolutely no reason the other races of the Horde, ESPECIALLY THE ORCS, would rally behind Sylvanas to wage war against the Alliance again after Garrosh. It just makes absolutely no fucking sense, especially in the wake of Legion craze.

Like how do you even justify this premise? What would Illidan think of the fact the Alliance and Horde suddenly decide to fight each other over the Legion?

It has much more potential for better storytelling than the Star Wars rip-off that are Void Lords. Big bads have been the weakest part of WoW lore since Lich King. I honestly don't understand why you people need to fight another doomsday engine every expansion, it's boring as hell at this point.

[Megitsune]

What bothers me about it is that this time it feels pretty forced. I guess we need to wait to see the whole picture. I feel like there's something much deeper at work instead of just another Horde vs Alliance war (possible old god manipulation).

You would think that eventually the Horde and Alliance would see that they kinda need each other to take on huge threats like the Legion, Deathwing, Old Gods, etc, seeing as how they've had to come together so many times now....

[Nofo]

considering that we "defeated" sargeras at this point means we got to go back to smacking each other around duh

[bufferunderrun]

The Forsaken are one thing, but there is absolutely no reason the other races of the Horde, ESPECIALLY THE ORCS, would rally behind Sylvanas to wage war against the Alliance again after Garrosh. It just makes absolutely no fucking sense, especially in the wake of Legion craze.

Like how do you even justify this premise? What would Illidan think of the fact the Alliance and Horde suddenly decide to fight each other over the Legion?

Because bliztard write it that way, do sylvanas bulshit the forsaken can't give birth is a serious reason? She could have resurrected the Cult of the Damned and have a long supply of adept willing to become forsaken.

It's simply because blizzard don't have enough material to make an xpack sole about an external threat and use the faction war as secondary plot to fill the hole.

[Maarius]

Don't forget the old gods, they play a big role

[Skoll Shorties]

Book isn't out yet. But it appears Varok is pushing for the Horde supporting Sylvanas from I can see. Sylvanas even rallies Varok and the Horde against the Alliance. Personally good developement its a lot better than Garrosh 2.0 story arc.