Capitalism will also cause bread lines but those will be permanent

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Government services =/= Socialism.

Thanks for showing the confusion has reached the ignorant masses.

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Wrong. Socialism is the same as Communism, just gussied up to be a popular whore to the gullible.

Oh the irony thanks for showing confusion has reached the ignorant masses.

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Oh the irony thanks for showing confusion has reached the ignorant masses.

Well, you're the one who doesn't understand what Socialism is. Communism and Socialism are the same beast; Marxism.

[Tiwack]

Don't shoot the messenger because of his beliefs.
There's plenty of blame to go around:

Those in power encourage the rest of us to remain ignorant

Most of us gladly choose to remain ignorant


A lot of people think democracy for them ends at the voting booth, that if voting made a difference they wouldn't let you do it.

America chose this way. Matter of fact is: while Obama was president, republican politics were completely unacceptable. You guys had to march every fucking street when they decided to shut down the government, and for numerous other occasions. And i'm talking about everyone. In a democracy, its your duty. You're a democrat? Doesn't matter. When they fuck up your country, the line is crossed. You have to stand up and fucking wake them up.

Let politicians play their stupid game, and in return you win the stupid price.

[Taso]

Right... because captialism some how has reached its end stage. Let’s go back to the beginning of the industrial revolution Marx thought this was it capitalism had reached its height. We soon become socialist then communism will commence because of the failure of capitalism. Fast forward capitalism had just advanced. So tell me how does it end when it continued this far? Did Marx even know what capitalism was trying to fight for? Probably not. Did he know why smith and Ricardo supported it? Probably not. His labor theory of value derives directly from smith and everyone seems ignorant on it.
Knowing who Marx was he was a young Hegelian. Took hegals concepts and twisted it to make something up. Every movement prior to his writting show that middle class and the poor so no difference between each other in fact they worked together as the French Revolution shows. Marx comes in and then messes it up by making a class struggle that has existed for ever but really it did not.

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Right... because captialism some how has reached its end stage. Let’s go back to the beginning of the industrial revolution Marx thought this was it capitalism had reached its height

marx can't be right on everything

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Right... because captialism some how has reached its end stage. Let’s go back to the beginning of the industrial revolution Marx thought this was it capitalism had reached its height. We soon become socialist then communism will commence because of capitalism. Fast forward capitalism had just advanced. So tell me how does it end when it continued this far? Did Marx even know what capitalism was trying to fight for? Probably not. Did he know why smith and Ricardo supported it? Probably not. His labor theory of value derives directly from smith and everyone seems ignorant on it.
Knowing who Marx was he was a young Hegelian. Took hegals concepts and twisted it to make something up. Every movement prior to his writting show that middle class and the poor so no difference between each other in fact they worked together as the French Revolution shows. Marx comes in and then messes it up by making a class struggle that has existed for ever but really it did not.

Marx was a useless layabout living off of the wealth of others, So afraid of the Poor man that he wished never to enter their ranks. Marx was utter and completely dumbfounded by the formation of the British middle Class, and how Capitalism, the accumulation of wealth, was used in turn to profit those who were not the benefactors.

His work was neither revolutionary nor strong, and people should forget that pathetic old man existed.

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marx can't be right on everything

Marx was right on nothing.

[bison91]

Government services =/= Socialism.

Thanks for showing the confusion has reached the ignorant masses.

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Wrong. Socialism is the same as Communism, just gussied up to be a popular whore to the gullible.

lol go make research atleast and see the differences and what communism and socialism means atleast.

[Auxora]

Although it's not 100% certain, most scientists believe the bee problem to do with insecticides and pesticides which are needed for food. That's more related to population growth of the world than capitalism. It's not like communists or socialist systems don't use insecticides or pesticides. And the world isn't really to the point of feeding the global population solely through organic farming without any herbicides or pesticides.

As far as goods-producing wages, I think most know that was when the start of outsourcing lower-skilled manufacturing jobs went to lower cost countries like India and China, which has greatly improved the standard of living there. It has shifted the economy to be more skilled than in the past, which sucks for lower-skilled folks. In my high school growing up teens could drop out of high school and go down to a local large factory and make $30+ an hour easily without a high school or college education. That's not the case anymore for better or worse.

I do agree capitalism has some flaws for sure, I'm just not sure the bee or bread line argument is the best argument for it.

[Forogil]

Dude.. you posted a graph about bee colonies, not bee populations.
All you are showing is that in North America and Europe beekeeping is in decline.

It's even worse - the graph is only for the US.

The number of beehives seem to be steady in Canada (but the number of beekeepers are decreasing).

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As far as goods-producing wages, I think most know that was when the start of outsourcing lower-skilled manufacturing jobs went to lower cost countries like India and China, which has greatly improved the standard of living there.

One major cause is similar for the bees: outsourcing honey-production to worker bees outside of the US.

(Yes, seriously.)

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lol go make research atleast and see the differences and what communism and socialism means atleast.

Socialism: The Means of production are held by the Community

Communism: The Means of Production are held by the Community

The only difference is people confuse things like Healthcare or Taxation as "Socialism" When they have been around long before Socialism was invented.

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Marx was right on nothing.

I think you should think more and stop trying to argue with your emotion

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I think you should think more and stop trying to argue with your emotion

Alright.

How can a person who lives entirely on the life of a Bourgeois attempt to fathom the ideas of the Proletariat. Hint: They cannot.

[Taso]

marx can't be right on everything

He isn’t. He did not understand anything. Socialism is imaginative. It does not account for the diffferences on the will of mankind.

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Alright.

How can a person who lives entirely on the life of a Bourgeois attempt to fathom the ideas of the Proletariat. Hint: They cannot.

I'm sorry you lack empathy and the ability to comprehend things but most people can

[Machismo]

Socialism: The Means of production are held by the Community

Communism: The Means of Production are held by the Community

The only difference is people confuse things like Healthcare or Taxation as "Socialism" When they have been around long before Socialism was invented.

They are not the same. Are you saying conservatism and libertarianism are the same, as well?

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I'm sorry you lack empathy and the ability to comprehend things but most people can

Considering you had mass food shortages and complete mismanagement of resources and infastructure in every Socialist country, it sounds like I am not the one lacking Empathy.

Turns out, Workers in a factory do not know how to run the factory.

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They are not the same. Are you saying conservatism and libertarianism are the same, as well?

No, because those are two totally different points in Political Theory. Socialism and Communism are the same point.

Redistribution of wealth and the overthrowing of the upper classes to make an "Equal" society.

[Tiwack]

Redistribution of wealth and the overthrowing of the upper classes to make an "Equal" society.

What's so bad about this idea? You've got yours and want to keep it? Work like everybody else.

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It's not true capitalism.
If markets were more free, the system would work.
duh

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What's so bad about this idea? You've got yours and want to keep it? Work like everybody else.

Because Not everyone is able to run a Factory or manage a company. Pretty soon you have an extreme mismanagement of duty. Tell me exactly.

Who should earn more, the Intern or the CEO?

[Machismo]

Considering you had mass food shortages and complete mismanagement of resources and infastructure in every Socialist country, it sounds like I am not the one lacking Empathy.

Turns out, Workers in a factory do not know how to run the factory.

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No, because those are two totally different points in Political Theory. Socialism and Communism are the same point.

Redistribution of wealth and the overthrowing of the upper classes to make an "Equal" society.

No, they are no the same, not even Marx believed them to be the same. Socialism was an extended pathway to communism. Do you realize that communism cannot exist on any scale, for any sizable duration?

We'll make it easy, name any country that was actually communistic?