Why do Americans think they are powerful in 2017?

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One could argue they are cripple now. What's all that technology. and bombs gonna do when you got a stank face Manchild at the head of it..

[lockedout]

I guess I will get hate from Americans here, but from facts and figures from 2017 America is in a bad place.


Economy is bad, China will be the best economic power in decades to come
Military wise, third world countries have more men power that could serve in a war.
Politics are unstable. Sure, every country has unstable politics, but in America LAND OF THE FREE?
Racial tensions are up high. Not surprise there, but an educated country would not different, no?


I am trying to stay away from 'oh he is just bashing US".

But please stop saying its still a powerful country.

America would decimate any country in a war. Have a nice day.

[Frenegade42]

Seems like someone is trying to overestimated things that aren't actually as big of a deal as they think they are. If I were to guess, the OP is being blinded by his bias at what he wants to think true.

Potentially a Eurocuck.

The birthplace of Nazism. Ask any Euro their opinions of Roma. See how closely the old hatreds bubble beneath the false veneer of civility.

[ParanoiD84]

You are comparing us with Nazi Germany and their Japanese ally as far as our morality goes

Just trying to say that the japanese where not the nicest guys that's all, people like to complain about the nukes when the japanese did far worse shit like the unit 731, nanking and killing millions of chinese, not many people know about that and was only taught about germany in school.

Only used germany to compare the japanese as they did just as bad shit.

[Deleted]

even the article admits there is no proof just words of village leaders.

So millions of tonnes of chemicals weren't sprayed on Vietnam? That has no connection with the very large numbers of deformed children that are being borne to this day?

I suppose the Mail is making it up, even though it is the most rabidly right-wing newspaper in the UK with consistently pro-american editorials.

You sound like a holocaust denier.http://www.history.com/topics/vietnam-war/agent-orange

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Actually the US WAS restrained, hence the reason Hanoi wasn't a smoking ruin by the end.

Just how many children do you need to kill, injure or grotesquely deform to win a war?

[Hiricine]

-dominate video game industry
-dominate movie industry
-strongest military, only deterrant to many states just bullying others (Russia could basically expand territory endlessly)
-Produces the most education. Of course, this does not mean that it consumes a high amount per capita

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they're not. they need to sit down

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-strongest military, only deterrant to many states just bullying others (Russia could basically expand territory endlessly)

They weren't a deterrent to the Russians. They are doing nothing about Ukraine militarily. They handed their dick over to the Russians.
In general they just act in their own economic interest. It took them two years to get off their arse in wwii.

And if we are talking about "bullying" you might consider how many foreign bases the US has and how many the Russians or Chinese do.

[Ettan]

Because they are.
It has been the only superpower since the 80s.
The only thing that limits their power is the will of their own citizens.

And dont give me that china shit.
China is a regional power, always has been always will be.
An economic powerhouse sure, but with exports. Exports that are almost exclusively dependent on sea transport.

Due to its geography alone it will never be a global superpower.

And add the fact they are ultimatly hemmed in by the worlds largest democracy in India (a nuclear power) and Russia (you guessed right also a nuclear power).
This kind of complicates any form of land based expansion.
Meaning they only have the ability to threathen neighbouring "minor" countries AKA a regional power. But even doing that is unwise at best.

Their only prospect of obtaining supremacy then is through sea power. And suprise suprise the worlds only superpower is well aware of their current situation and makes sure its always twenty steps ahead.


What China does have is soft power, the power to influence other actors by pursuation/culture/economic means.
One would think it would be a dominating influencing power for due to its economic strength but its actually suprisingly limited (for its size); global rankings have consistently found even minor european nations to be stronger influencers.

[Deleted]

The only thing that limits their power is the will of their own citizens.

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When did apologists for the US start sounding like Oprah?

It is very simple issue. The US is a trillion dollars in debt. It has presided over a series of military catastrophes. It has completely lost any pretense of global leadership after Trump's victory (though it was quietly fading under Obama already), as evidenced by the collapse co-operation on the part of other nations and the US itself over economics and issues such as the environment.

There is no actual evidence of power being used effectively by the US outside of its own borders recently, except possibly in the tech field. That's how you determine what a powerful nation is. I can't even think of a single example where the US achieved a clear objective successfully recently.

[ipaq]

You are obviously not aware that all sides conducted strategic bombing of enemy cities in WWII. Try reading a history book instead of using it as a booster seat.

Oh I'm totally aware.

Carpet bombing (of manufacturing plants) allow for civilians to get out of those cities/areas. Pamphlets where even dropped before such bombing.

Now nuking 200k japaneses women, children and old people is another mater.

[ParanoiD84]

Oh I'm totally aware.

Carpet bombing (of manufacturing plants) allow for civilians to get out of those cities/areas. Pamphlets where even dropped before such bombing.

Now nuking 200k japaneses women, children and old people is another mater.

75-200k also died during the tokyo bombings, then the british, germans, us and others all bombed/firebombed civilians. It was a total war, anything goes. The british killed 25k during two days bombing Dresden for example and 50k died during the london bombings.

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16 pages about stats.
How about peoples wellness in USA?

[Deus Mortis]

Since it was brought up, look at what guerrilla tactics can do to a more powerful force in a country, now for instance if some other country was able to beat our Navy and actually get to mainland USA. What do you think would happen to that force with how many of US's citizens have weapons.

[meowfurion]

My god, what a liberal leftist moral high ground elitist douche of a forum thread. Your brainwashing is in full effect up in here. I've travelled across this world in my time on this earth, and I can from personal experience, without arrogance or conceit, say that it's EXACTLY the other way around:

Just read what the OP said.

Basically, that his country and people are superior to the USA.

Read the other posts. That Americans are stupid. That we are dumb, fat, evil uneducated, and bad. In other words, that their country and people are better than us.

It is the other way around. It's not Americans who think we are the best. It's you guys who think you are and tell us how terrible we are. Take a step back and look at yourselves: You are doing precisely what you accuse and hate Americans for doing (that we don't actually do).

"Americans are ignorant and stereotype people" <---irony much?

"Americans are fat" <-- mostly in the black community. They are the overwhelming majority of obese cases in the USA while also being only 14% of the total US population. These are readily available statistics. Americans also have cheaper, easier access to fattening food. I liken most Americans to being like Hobbits. Happy, a little plump, just want to enjoy life and be with family and friends and not have to deal with the rude, bitchy, condescending and hateful assholes that you guys are obviously displaying as the rest of the world in this thread.

Let's also take a look at England and let's make some rude stereotypical broad judgements about it: Why do the English think they are superior to the rest of the world? I mean if you're superior to Americans, then you must be the top of the hill, right? Arrogance and conceit. Why do English have such fucked up rotten ass teeth? Sure you have easier access to dental care and it's cheaper, so why aren't you guys taking better advantage of it, and why DO you need to take better advantage of it? Is it because of all that royal family inbreeding that took place? If only we in the USA could all be as chaste and pure as the royal family, right?

Let's take a look at Sweden and Nordic countries in general: why is it that you have such a ridiculously high suicide and depression issue, plus alcoholism? How come that's the case? Why are you guys so unhappy if you're the best place in the world to live with such an amazing economy and are so much better than Americans? Better than Americans, amirite? Arrogance and conceit (as you accuse the US of being arrogant and conceited).

As far as 'being indoctrinated to the American dream" What the fuck are you even smoking? Our educational system has been on the sharp decline ever since American schools have adopted globalist agendas and liberal/leftist values and brainwashed its children into believing that garbage (as is evident in the ignorance and stereotyping I am seeing on this garbage thread which is only here to try and shine a condescending light on Americans as a whole while the OP isn't addressing his/her OWN country's vast shortcomings).

You sit there and bash Americans as you use the internet we helped give you, the computers we invented, the operating system ON those computers, the elecrical energy we pioneered, the smartphones we invented, the cars and airplanes we devloped and designed the basis of, and the medical technology we created (MRI, nuclear medicine, chemotherapy).

From all Americans who don't hate this country and aren't on here being little millennial douchebag self-hating traitors, fuck you.

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"Americans are ignorant and stereotype people" <---irony much?
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"Americans are fat" <-- mostly in the black community.

The lack of self-awareness is strong in this one.

[Kellhound]

So millions of tonnes of chemicals weren't sprayed on Vietnam? That has no connection with the very large numbers of deformed children that are being borne to this day?

I suppose the Mail is making it up, even though it is the most rabidly right-wing newspaper in the UK with consistently pro-american editorials.

You sound like a holocaust denier.http://www.history.com/topics/vietnam-war/agent-orange

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Just how many children do you need to kill, injure or grotesquely deform to win a war?

Historically? Millions: WWII 50+ million civilian casualties, WWI 2+ million million casualties, and these are just the direct deaths (not including famine and such). Total war (breaking a country's means and will to fight) is a nasty nasty business that has fallen out of favor since the middle of the 20th Century in the West.

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Oh I'm totally aware.

Carpet bombing (of manufacturing plants) allow for civilians to get out of those cities/areas. Pamphlets where even dropped before such bombing.

Now nuking 200k japaneses women, children and old people is another mater.

Again try actually reading a history book. Manufacturing plants were not the only carpet bombing targets. Dresden was burned to the ground, Tokyo was burned to the ground (killing more civilians than ether Hiroshima or Nagasaki), during the Blitz Germany destroyed over 2 million homes, and on and on....

The main difference between the use of nuclear weapons and the use of conventional bombs to level cities during WWII was the number of bombers required (1 verses hundreds), not the death and destruction wrought.

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Since it was brought up, look at what guerrilla tactics can do to a more powerful force in a country, now for instance if some other country was able to beat our Navy and actually get to mainland USA. What do you think would happen to that force with how many of US's citizens have weapons.

It took almost 7000 vessels to conduct the D-Day invasions over a very short distance. All of the world's blue water amphibious assault vessels combined (and most of those are American) would not be capable of even lifting 1/2 the men and material landed on D-Day. Its not an issue the US has to worry about in the foreseeable future.

[breadisfunny]

Why aren't you fighting for ISIS advanta? They're fighting Americans. Is it all you can do to come to a gaming forum and spam hate?

The dream of reviving the Caliphate is rapidly dying.

the fact that your dehumanizing people makes you the real monster here hubcap with your blind nationalism and stance of "well they were asking for that torture" unless of course you think it's okay to ignore the geneva conventions because american exceptionalism.
so then i hope you don't get upset when other countries decide to do the same and start gassing u.s. troops.

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16 pages about stats.
How about peoples wellness in USA?

woah woah woah. slow down there. that sounds like commy speak. i don't hear you talking about tanks.

[judgementofantonidas]

There is more to power than just military, look at Vietnam........small little army and we got our asses handed to us "in spades"

because we were fighting the chineese army. we also didn't fight then like we do now. with air superiority followed by ground shock and awe.

[breadisfunny]

Lol

We militarily stomped the NVA and Vietcong.

case study of winning the battle but losing the war. a democratic country is NOT run by it's military.

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Do you want to know a big difference between the Ruso-Afghan war and the Vietnam war?

The US doesn't share a land border with North Vietnam. The US never invaded North Vietnam.

no they just sent in troops and "specialists" to "assist" and did bombing runs over north vietnam. thus invading north vietnamese airspace. so yeah we did basically invade north vitenam just not from the land or sea.