Trump Jr. and Wikileaks Talking During Election

[Dontrike]

"You alt-righters," "like many on your side," yadda yadda. Just call me a nazi or whatever and get it out of your system, your $7 boutique frapp is getting cold.

So no real rebuttal besides mocking? I see we're on track 8 of Tijuana's whiny tirade.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

Yes, just like it was in 1995... This isn’t something new and fits exactly what I said and what Wikileaks asked Trump to do. How is this, something they list as being from 1995, starting before Putin, any different than what Wikileaks asked Trump to provide, to not seem pro-Russia?

Wikileaks document on Clinton goes as far as 2009. We knew Russia spied. We didn't know what their system was. This article isn't about 1995 though, which you'd know if you would've read it.

SORM is the technical infrastructure for surveillance in Russia. It dates back to 1995 and has evolved from SORM-1 (capturing telephone and mobile phone communications) and SORM-2 (interception of Internet traffic, 1999) to the current SORM-3. SORM now collects information from all forms of communication, providing long-term storage of all information and data on subscribers, including actual recordings and locations. In 2014, the system was expanded to include social media platforms, and the Ministry of Communications ordered companies to install new equipment with Deep Packet Inspection (DPI) capability. In 2016, SORM-3 added additional classified regulations that apply to all Internet Service providers in Russia. The European Court for Human Rights deemed Russia's SORM legislation in breach of the European Convention on Human Rights in 2015 (Zakharov v. Russia).

[Breccia]

This picture remains relevant and I have a feeling it will remain relevant for the next 5+ years.

Alt account, Whataboutism, handwaving. Ignored.

[Arvei]

I'm waiting for you to provide even a single source to support your argument. I've posted more than five in this thread alone.

Could it be your non-arguments are based entirely on opinion rather than evidence?

Lol. Mueller indicting members of Trump's campaign is an opinion now? Don't strain yourself moving those goalposts too much.

[Mayhem]

Sure, here you go.

"Lord Dobbs tells BuzzFeed News how Margaret Thatcher caused him to write House of Cards, "

Thanks for agreeing.

[mariachi]

Lol. Mueller indicting members of Trump's campaign is an opinion now? Don't strain yourself moving those goalposts too much.

Manafort's indictment is about Manafort's money laundering. It makes no mention of Trump directly, nor does it reference anything beyond seeking dirt on Clinton (which he was, apparently, seeking prior to Trump winning the nomination.)

[BrerBear]

But that's not even remotely true! https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/t...s-65ecd7c2468f

Because the atlantic article is a cesspool of malpractice, I don't see why I should take it at face value, so I've decided to take a look for myself directly at the communications.

I've been following Wikileaks closely for years now. This is a common practice for a journalistic investigation, even more so when it's related to leaks.

You don't have to read the Atlantic summary to see Wikileaks' sleaziness.
They coordinated with Don Jr. to create a fake leak to give the public a false perception of their motives. It's right there in the DMs.
That's why, no matter how much that kook Johnstone clutches her pearls, we all see the truth.

[Arvei]

Manafort's indictment is about Manafort's money laundering. It makes no mention of Trump directly, nor does it reference anything beyond seeking dirt on Clinton (which he was, apparently, seeking prior to Trump winning the nomination.)

You're forgetting about your boy Papadopoulous.

[Shalcker]

They coordinated with Don Jr. to create a fake leak to give the public a false perception of their motives. It's right there in the DMs.

They wanted to Jr to release documents through them to undermine Clinton's smears. It's right there, in same sentence.

[Sky High]

They wanted to Jr to release documents through them to undermine Clinton's smears. It's right there, in same sentence.

and this somehow makes Wikileaks look better because......?

[Daelak]

The entire Clinton Foundation has been a joke for nearly 20 years, Hillary herself even longer. To imply anyone is worse than the duo who inspired House of Cards is low-level trolling.

Is it a joke? I guess the global charity watchdog groups must be Obama Killary Holdover Agents too.

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Manafort's indictment is about Manafort's money laundering. It makes no mention of Trump directly, nor does it reference anything beyond seeking dirt on Clinton (which he was, apparently, seeking prior to Trump winning the nomination.)

Because, in my opinion, Mueller is building a case based upon chronologically accurate account of how premeditated using Trump as a vehicle to get changes/chaos the Kremlin wanted.

[Felya]

Wikileaks document on Clinton goes as far as 2009. We knew Russia spied. We didn't know what their system was. This article isn't about 1995 though, which you'd know if you would've read it.

We still don’t know what system they installed after Putin. This is about a 1995 program, started before Putin. It doesn’t tell you what this system found nor shed any light on Putin’s or oligarchs. It’s exactly like what they asked from Trump, to trick people like you into thinking they are not pro Russia. But, not for a single moment do you think about what damage this does to Putin or his oligarchs... which is nothing, but to trick people into thinking a program started before Putin, is all they had.

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But that's not even remotely true! https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/t...s-65ecd7c2468f

Because the atlantic article is a cesspool of malpractice, I don't see why I should take it at face value, so I've decided to take a look for myself directly at the communications.

I've been following Wikileaks closely for years now. This is a common practice for a journalistic investigation, even more so when it's related to leaks.

I and several others have refuted this many times over. Them coordinating with Trump in these contacts, means that pro-Trump angle, is not slander. You even called them friends, by using the ‘friends of your enemy are your friends’ idiom... literally calling them friends...

[Dug]

But wikileaks is totes unbiased guyzzzz they just care about da troofs

[Shalcker]

and this somehow makes Wikileaks look better because......?

They are creating "enemy of my enemy" narrative for Jr; they aren't actually saying to him that "he should release to them because Wikileaks are pro-Russian" as The Atlantic cut implies.

And what exactly do you think they should have done instead of trying this? To stay squeaky clean in your eyes? They already released documents from Clinton side.

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But wikileaks is totes unbiased guyzzzz they just care about da troofs

Wikileaks are biased.

Their reputation lies in that whatever they release is authentic, not in their neutrality.

[Dug]

Wikileaks are biased.

Their reputation lies in that whatever they release is authentic, not in their neutrality.

Da troofs!

[Felya]

Wikileaks are biased.

Their reputation lies in that whatever they release is authentic, not in their neutrality.

Yes, authentic like tweeting about “spirit dinner” over a messy red backdrop and saying there is more there. Maybe like @Archmage BloodElf4Life (you don’t really get the full scope of that name until you have to type it out) pointed to a Wikileaks of a pre-Putin surveillance system, to claim that’s all there is, because that’s all wiki leaked... just like they asked of Trump Jr with tax returns...

[Zandalarian Paladin]

Yes, authentic like tweeting about “spirit dinner” over a messy red backdrop and saying there is more there. Maybe like @Archmage BloodElf4Life (you don’t really get the full scope of that name until you have to type it out) pointed to a Wikileaks of a pre-Putin surveillance system, to claim that’s all there is, because that’s all wiki leaked... just like they asked of Trump Jr with tax returns...

The system was active in 2016 and iterated over since 1995. If you don’t bother to read, how can I expect a meaningful discussion?

Also that name is awesome (and I haven’t received personal threats with it, so there’s that).

PS: I do agree the spirit dinner tweet was ridiculous. Granted, their twitter platform is managed by several individuals.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

You don't have to read the Atlantic summary to see Wikileaks' sleaziness.
They coordinated with Don Jr. to create a fake leak to give the public a false perception of their motives. It's right there in the DMs.
That's why, no matter how much that kook Johnstone clutches her pearls, we all see the truth.

I don’t even know what mental twist one needs to do to come to that conclusion. Had Jr given the tax form, Wikileaks would’ve published it as they did every other leak. You act as though this is something specific to Jr and Trump. It’s what investigative journalists does for a living, every day. It’s their job.

[Breccia]

Those business ventures aren't run by him.

Are we talking about the guy who lost several hundred million over each of the last two years?

Or the guy who claims to have four bankruptcies, because three of his six were all at the same time?

Or the guy who lost money running a casino five times?

How's Trump University going? I seem to remember them being shut down and sued. Oh wait, it was.

[cubby]

I don’t even know what mental twist one needs to do to come to that conclusion. Had Jr given the tax form, Wikileaks would’ve published it as they did every other leak. You act as though this is something specific to Jr and Trump. It’s what investigative journalists does for a living, every day. It’s their job.

But that's NOT what Wikileaks does anymore. They are now a wholly owned subsidiary of the Trump Enrichment Program, gone global.