Dozens of teachers terrorized by out-of-control students flee school district

[primalmatter]

It's status as a 'painful truth' hinges exactly on this 'chicken or egg' distinction.

Hmm you have a point I will admit that but this isn't the place for me to elaborate on my thoughts.

[arandomuser]

I don't disagree but people don't like hearing painful truths...

Yeah your point dosent fix anything, just saying "black ppl are dumb low iq lul XD" dosent solve anything, and in fact you ignore the fact that everyone is an individual with individual decision makings, and people as individuals are responsible for their decisions not any race or culture. so you can fuck off with that bullshit.

thats like saying any black fortune 500 ceo, or black astrophysicist belongs in the same category as a gangster, thats why racialist policies just keep everyone down because you tell everyone they are the same, i thought you were for indiviudal liberties and here you are saying people deserve less liberties based on their race. i went to a public school i know how bad it is yeah 80% are bad, but i dont think the other 20% should be segregated or have less rights because they are indiivudals not responsible for other people, and thats the end of the story

[Daedius]

Time to introduce to those brats the ol' corporal punishment.

Can't understand why ANY teacher would ever want to teach such trash. Curious why they aren't suspended or expelled to begin with... as that's generally what happens when you attack a teacher.


Also;

[Gref]

We had a saying back in my day. When my parents, and every other parents, enrolled me to primary school they said:
(which basically translates into)
Meat is yours, bone is mine.

It is like do everything that is necessary. This shit wouldn't happen in my generation. Impossible as you would get a nice uppercut from the teacher directly. I have gotten a few. Especially in the morning gathering if the teacher saw some shit he/she would beat you up in front of the whole school so that every student would see it and BEHAVE accordingly.

Now it is exactly opposite. You even raise your voice to a student, bam you get a call from parents. How dare you (insert random bullshit)

[Moralgy]

Not really surprising that kids are being giant dicks when adults seem to have issues with not being dicks to each other these days.

[Kalis]

Yeah your point dosent fix anything, just saying "black ppl are dumb low iq lul XD" dosent solve anything, and in fact you ignore the fact that everyone is an individual with individual decision makings, and people as individuals are responsible for their decisions not any race or culture. so you can fuck off with that bullshit.

When you are talking about small children behaving this way, then the blame can reasonably be attributed to culture.

I wouldn’t attribute it to race, as you can compare places like India and Pakistan, same race, different cultures, Indians tend to thrive educationally, Pakistanis typically lag well behind the average.

If you take a child from these parents and have them raised by ethnically Chinese Americans, there is a more than decent chance the child will thrive and have discipline.

Shitty culture = shitty child = shitty adult = shitty parent. Some buck the trend, but the majority won’t and so the cycle of shit continues.

[SerialPandaSnuggler]

To obtain that you also need to create the environment for that to happen, parents need time to parent. This means better wages and not running multiple jobs, also actually having a job, since it has been shown kids that come from a jobless home are often unsuccessful themselves.

Wow, its almost like these are all factors the parents should consider before deciding to have a child. If they decide to bring a child into an unstable environment its nobodies fault but their own. And unfortunately other people have to deal with the consequences of their ignorance.

[Daedius]

Shitty culture = shitty child = shitty adult = shitty parent. Some buck the trend, but the majority won’t and so the cycle of shit continues.

How dare you say something so non-PC?! Feel the scorn of the SJWs!

[Kalis]

How dare you say something so non-PC?! Feel the scorn of the SJWs!

I know, I’m literally Hitler.

We have similar problems in Britain, primarily with three groups (white) British working class, (black) Caribbeans and (brown) Pakistanis, all of them are fucking up educationally.

It is cultural, not racial, as (white) British middle class, (black) Nigerians and (brown) Indians are doing well, exceptionally so in the case of Indians.

If you come from a cultural background that doesn’t value educational achievement, then you’re pretty likely to be buggered throughout life.


Edit: the highest achievers in Britain are the Chinese, but there wasn’t a contrasting Far Eastern group that are failing, so I left them off.

[Steve French]

When you look up the demographics of this city it all makes sense.

Because 50% of them are black? Better be careful with those hate facts.

[Jonnusthegreat]

What kind of discipline?

If you talking about corporal punishment, it's frowned upon in excess, the no one is going to send you to jail for swatting your kids on their butt when they need it. As a parent myself, I'll swat my kids butt as an attention getter, not a means of punishment in and of itself.

I think the problem stems from the culture of dismissing personal responsibility. Many parents out there think they are perfect, and by extension, their kids are perfect.

Corporal punishment is one, but just the fact that teachers often times cannot legally touch students. "Give me your phone." "No." "Well ok I guess."

[Enthusiastic Steward]

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/pa/harrisburg/crime

Took one google search...

This website has some issues somewhere. I live in an affluent suburb that's about as safe as can be, and it only ranks a 38 out of 100.

[Steve French]

Again it is only a tiny minority that has that viewpoint. Just because that was prevalent in your experience, doesn't mean much. Your second point is a strawman so nothing to say there.

Have any proof "only a tiny minority that has that viewpoint"? Until then your comments are just as worthless.

[RaoBurning]

Corporal punishment is one, but just the fact that teachers often times cannot legally touch students. "Give me your phone." "No." "Well ok I guess."

This sort of thing is a frequent issue. We're a very low performing school (behavior being a huge factor), so we don't get nice things to begin with, so we have very few buttons and levels to use in order to adjust behavior, or to leverage against stubbornness. It's part of why we have the cop on campus, so at least someone has some real authority to handle a violent student should the need arise.

Lunch detention is a joke, even though now it comes with cafeteria cleaning duty. We have kids who are late to class (and it's a small, mostly indoor campus) updwards of 18 times a week. I share a room with the lady who gets to make those calls, and listening to the list of tardies is shocking.

Or DSS papers given to them by the school because they are taught no one can touch them

This is patently untrue.

If you don't mind me asking, which part of AZ do you live?

I've lived in Tempe all three of my decades.

[Kraenen]

Bad sex education, outdated believes from decades ago, increase in teenage pregnancies, single parents, kids that shouldn't be parents. And it gets worse every cycle, so this is the out come of at least a generation or two of people thinking kids will stop having sex if they tell them god wants them to marry first and they should safe themselves.

That and making abortion illegal also plays a part.

Best part this was totally predicted by people, since we used to be dumb enough to believe that sex ed was bad all over the world.

I don't believe sex education can root out impulsiveness and instill discipline, I guess they could go with military academies but somehow I'm guessing that would be unsavory to those pushing more sex ed in the first place.

The outdated beliefs (religion I assume) don't explain the whole picture, as looking through midwestern states STD/teen pregnancies don't really line up with those of the deep south.

[bledgor]

One of the biggest issues is that a lot of districts won't defend/back up their teachers anymore due to the abundance of lawsuits, and the teachers know they so they can't do anything when these kids misbehave but call security (mine usually take a good 2-3 minutes from the time called to arrive). In my area the big issue is you don't have to pass a single class to get through middle school, and kids know this. So they slack off for 2 years, and don't want to do anything when they come to highschool.

By the time they figure out they won't just graduate after attending school for four years, but instead they have to actually pass the classes they are if lucky sophomores, either way they are a year behind. After that so many lose hope. Not to mention ~half my students are 3-4 years behind their reading levels (most of our Freshmen are reading at a 5th grade level).

Meanwhile parents are very hit or miss, some parents will be my best ally, others I have chased and received not even a response. With no support from admin, limited support from parents, and having to fight smart phones + classes of up to 29 students per a teacher it makes it excessively hard to do my job.

The big changes that need to happen before we can even begin to get on track are remove that horrible fucking excess of a law called No Child Left Behind, and get more qualified people into teaching, but as for how to reach those people I am not sure, teaching isn't the socially respected job it once was, the wages are okay, but the work load is dense, the appreciation little, and support lacking.

[Super Kami Dende]

A generation of Single Mothers raising kids without discipline in a society that tells them to seek Violence against Authority.

What did people think would happen.

[Theinquisition]

This sort of thing is a frequent issue. We're a very low performing school (behavior being a huge factor), so we don't get nice things to begin with, so we have very few buttons and levels to use in order to adjust behavior, or to leverage against stubbornness. It's part of why we have the cop on campus, so at least someone has some real authority to handle a violent student should the need arise.

Lunch detention is a joke, even though now it comes with cafeteria cleaning duty. We have kids who are late to class (and it's a small, mostly indoor campus) updwards of 18 times a week. I share a room with the lady who gets to make those calls, and listening to the list of tardies is shocking.



This is patently untrue.



I've lived in Tempe all three of my decades.

Ah okay, I work and attend college in Tempe.

I'm a little surprised, I didn't think Tempe had that much of a problem with extremely defiant youth. I mean, if you had said mesa, Glendale, or Avondale I'd understand.

[Flame6]

lol "Safer than 3% of other cities".

[RaoBurning]

Ah okay, I work and attend college in Tempe.

I'm a little surprised, I didn't think Tempe had that much of a problem with extremely defiant youth. I mean, if you had said mesa, Glendale, or Avondale I'd understand.

I attended Mesa schools as a kid, and even with the gang fights in the park across the street every other day, it felt way more mellow than my school now. The asshole kids kept their shit together during school hours, at the very least. And Powell wasn't exactly in a great neighborhood to begin with. Of course, I was also in the smarty pants classes all three years there, so maybe things played out differently elsewhere.

Hell, at the last school I worked at we had to ban the little manual pencil sharpeners because the 4th and 5th graders started taking the razors out and cutting each other with them. Oh, there was also trouble with kids rubbing spicy lucas candy in other kids' eyes.