Warrior: Dead in PVP and FUBAR

[Korgoth]

Warrior PVP is dead. The class is gimped now. I had 430 days played, I was a 2 time glad 6/7, Hero of the Alliance. But the class is dead. Arms is a joke that cannot even get a spot in a decent RBG group because it doesnt have 100% arp like a DK, or the Crowd Control and 100% arp of a caster, or the special snowflake Smoke Bomb, 70% slow, and 70% arp of a Rogue.

Mortal Strike, 1.5s GCD, 4.5s crits an equally geared DK for 12-15k, Frost Strike 1s GCD, no CD, crits for 18-22k, BECAUSE IT HAS 100% ARP. BUT US WARRIORS WE CANT HAVE 100% ARP, THATS OVERPOWERED. EXCEPT UNLESS ITS ON EVERY OTHER CLASS EXCEPT ROGUES, WHO HAVE 70% ARP!

GC so hates the class he has intentionally FUBAR'd it this expansion. Bladestorm does practically nothing now, hitting a paladin for 6k! Mortal Strike even at 25% barely helps you when you have our pitiful crowd control and burst that is mediocre and only on long CDs, which we cannot even combine together. Has any other class had so many CDs that could not be used with another CD they had. D Calm, Reck, Inner Rage.

FUBAR, F$%^ed Up Beyond All Recognition. That is exactly what Warrior in Cataclysm is. All utility non existent, our damage gutted, our survivability gutted. Worst class in 1v1, Worst class in 3v3, Worst Class in 5v5. And worst of all we can only be flag carriers in Rated BGs. Which is just another insult put upon the class by that mage loving fa$$ot GC, who decided to not only take warriors out of Arena and but to force us to TANK IN PVP if we want to continue at all.

That Mage loving turd has intentionally killed Warrior PVP, its no longer even PVP, its just flag holding and getting shit on by every other class because this one fa%%%t Developer hates the class, and is intentionally gimping it.

For proof, just look at Mage vs Warrior, how can such an impossible counter exist in a game that is supposed to be balanced, if not for massive developer bias.

So I am quitting Warrior and WoW as there is no f$%&ing point to playing anymore as a warrior when the developers are intentionally making your class nothing but a gimped little flag bitch.

So F%^* all you uncle tom flag carriers and mages and rogues and DKs, and every other class that got buffed to counter warriors 1v1 or 3v3 or took our jobs in RBGS. F$%* you all!

[Deleted]

exagerated imo but close to the truth. its not worth playing a warrior in pvp anymore. every class does the same, they only do it better.

[iamthedevil]

This thread will be filled with people saying warriors are fine and stop crying.

It is those people who are just happy that warriors are now mostly an easy kill and no longer a powerful class, so they will say anything to deny your claim.

I have 5 85s. Warrior, mage, dk, priest, and druid. All 4 other classes perform much better than the warrior class hands down. I no longer have fun playing my warrior because it is such a struggle against everything. Warriors have a problem. My feral and Dk can do what my warrior can, only better.. much better.

Every warrior complained on the forums last patch. Blizzard asked for feedback and many people gave them great feedback regarding the problems within the class. How many were addressed? We got MS buffed... and so did other classes. Blizzard has obviously given up balance until MoP, forcing us to wait.

[Vankrin]

I agree with most of what this OP as said, but not everything. There are still plenty of skilled warriors who can fuck shit up in arena at a very high rating, it's not impossible. But I do however feel that warriors have been replaced by feral druids, who currently do everything a warrior can, but alot better. Instant cyclone is the most OP pvp cc in the game.

[Deleted]

Loving this post!

[winkysmnm]

I miss stance dancing and actually having utility and catching a 3s team out of position and SS/BSing them from 100-30% and then chosing who I want to finish off. I miss being viable and I hate that frost was put into a position inwhich it does everything that arms can do but better...except for disarm...but they will probably get that too eventually.

[Korgoth]

I agree with most of what this OP as said, but not everything. There are still plenty of skilled warriors who can fuck shit up in arena at a very high rating, it's not impossible. But I do however feel that warriors have been replaced by feral druids, who currently do everything a warrior can, but alot better. Instant cyclone is the most OP pvp cc in the game.

There will always be some few players of a spec or class that can get high when the class is poor due to superb teammates who are willing carry that spec. Yet for most players, even high end players, finding that level of teammates and getting that level of teamwork going is almost impossible when their so many better options out there.

I hit 2550 last season playing with a Feral and a Pally, and the feral left to play FMP, and I could not blame him because that comp easily got him past 2700 and almost certainly his glad title. Right now Arms, Warrior as a whole is a liability for any Arena team, they are better off taking another class, and they know it.

[Vacuous0]

I feel as though you went completely overboard in your assertions about the way the game is balanced and the personal attacks on GC as though some sort of grudge against warriors is part of his policy.

That said, I agree with almost everything else. I bounce between Holy Paladin, Hunter, Death Knight, and Warrior. Warrior is always the LAST on my list these days. Damage is very "meh" and the utility plain doesn't exist. My Frost DK hits like a truck even with sub-par weapons. And while the game can't be balanced for 1v1, mage vs warrior has become ABSURDLY out of control. It simply highlights that Warriors have serious mobility issues and buffing those would likely only be the start of fixing things.

Warrior was always valuable due to its ridiculous bursty physical damage and healing debuff, despite lack of control and utility. Now that those have faded, what's left? Don't know, but it feels like I'm playing half a class.

[holstein]

The whole "GC HATES ME!!1!" thing is a little over the top, but the overall premise of your post, that warriors are basically useless in PVP (unless running a flag), is 100% accurate. And sad really, as my warrior was my favorite character for years, but now collects dust.

[damnature]

highly doubt you're a multiglad using ghostcrawler bullshit as an arguement, and even if you are, i can't say it means much as glad isnt hard when it comes to factors like your class being insanely op *cough* cata launch *cough* or you have retarded items like shadowmourne

on the other hand, warriors are FINE not good but FINE if you are ok at the class, and warriors are GOOD if you can play the class and you have the gear theres always a setup you can play to glad, all classes in all seasons have been able to get to glad range with one or another spec, theres nothing stopping you from playing melee/caster/healer but im assuming you're a meleecleave kindofa guy as you're crying about warrs not being viable. Warriors is indeed the worst class in pvp right now, you can still do good with it though, just remember theres plenty of setups to play and i highly doubt you've tried all of them
(not implying anything)



oh btw since when did you need 10 people to get high in rbg? its not like you lose any rating when you lose anyway, and lets face it, if you need a 10th person to do well in rbgs, you're not playing at high ratings

[Antherios]

My main is a Warrior, and i havent touched him for pvp since 4.2 .. that said, i play a Sub Rogue, a UH Dk and a Feral druid and they all perform better in arenas than my warrior =(

[Katt]

While I don't to rbg or arena . I CAN see the op point.When I do bgs on my warrior..it's awful . I then switch to my priest for pvp and feel much better about it. Every other class can do the same thing we can they just do it better.I'm really wore out with the fotm class balancing. I know at one time it was done to keep people playing by re rolling but that is kinda moot these days. Most people have all the alts they want of every class.

[Eviriany]

Yeah we're a bit underpowered but you're WAY exaggerating - I'm still capable of 1v2 and 1v3 vs those classes... Hell i can even 1v2 with a mage being one of those 2 sometimes.

Quit smashing buttons because their there and put some thought into it... I know we're all rage-filled warriors here but... Doesn't mean we must rage-smash our keyboards IRL.

DK's hit that hard under Pillar of Frost (1min CD) so Disarm it (1min CD).
Rogues hit hard under ShD - Also 1min+ CD. Intervene -> Charge -> Disarm or Leap -> Charge -> Disarm to avoid... Hell even add Throwdown after Charge for extra uptime.

Survivability - Everyone has their moments of getting gibbed, and Yeah i sure wish i could combo someone for 70k (Yes I'm glaring at you frost mages) but even when that happens to me, I know i could've prepared and avoided by NOT running into the open, preparing a reflect when their trinkets go up, trinketting a deep into LOS, Intervening/Leaping away out of range...

There is a counter to everything, you just need to learn it.

[Deleted]

Damn, I'm so glad I canceled my subscription several months ago because I had the impression that the community was getting worse and worse....

A post containing so many impertinent accusations and insults that appears to be appreciated by a lot of people simply validates my point of view.

In my opinion the OP should clearly be banned for heavy use of strong language...

WoW is lost.

[Goldjman]

I love you.

[Korgoth]

How else do you account for it besides developer bias? Its extremely evident that warriors are shit this expansion due to the changes the devs made. I am not going to believe that the devs are so stupid as to not know what they have done or that they should fix it. Their has been many threads on the forums and other sites for them to read, they have their own armory statistics to look at. They can easily see warriors have been gimped and are not competitive. So leaving warriors like this is intentional.

Furthermore, they have been hypocrits when it comes to hurting warriors. Like stating that they wont make abilities work differently for PVP and PVE, but then do exactly that for Colossus Smash, which in turn took away the last remaining thing warriors had, Burst. Yet how can 100% arp in and of itself be overpowered, when every other class gets it on many abilities or all abilities. 4.06, relative to health, warriors hit too hard, true. But instead of fixing that with the 8% nerf to 2h spec, and the blocking of d clam and reck together, they decided to nerf warriors in arp to completely gimp them in such a way that PVE is not affected so if we try and ask for another buff outside of C Smash they point to PVE balance as a reason to not do it.

Also when Warriors asked for unique utility, with MS, to give something worthwhile. GC replied they couldnt because it would not be fair to have one class that must be brought due to having a superior healing debuff. Then in Catacylsm, he gave rogues Smoke Bomb, a superior healing debuff that makes them practically mandatory for RBGs, guaranteeing them a spot.

The devs are not stupid.

[Goldjman]

Yeah we're a bit underpowered but you're WAY exaggerating - I'm still capable of 1v2 and 1v3 vs those classes... Hell i can even 1v2 with a mage being one of those 2 sometimes.

Quit smashing buttons because their there and put some thought into it... I know we're all rage-filled warriors here but... Doesn't mean we must rage-smash our keyboards IRL.

DK's hit that hard under Pillar of Frost (1min CD) so Disarm it (1min CD).
Rogues hit hard under ShD - Also 1min+ CD. Intervene -> Charge -> Disarm or Leap -> Charge -> Disarm to avoid... Hell even add Throwdown after Charge for extra uptime.

Survivability - Everyone has their moments of getting gibbed, and Yeah i sure wish i could combo someone for 70k (Yes I'm glaring at you frost mages) but even when that happens to me, I know i could've prepared and avoided by NOT running into the open, preparing a reflect when their trinkets go up, trinketting a deep into LOS, Intervening/Leaping away out of range...

There is a counter to everything, you just need to learn it.

You can 1v2 with a frost mage in the mix... LOL. As a 2400 warrior I lose to any mage that can play dr's, or just kite me around while they wait for deep freeze cd.

Stop trying to defend and obviously piece of shit class. If you want proof log on and hit 1800.

[Deleted]

/salute
^ I don't do this allot but you sir have earned my respect.

[Kilo]

I agree with you completely. My main issue with the game right now is the simple fact that ever since DK's were put into the game it got a lot less fun. I'm not a fan of them whatsoever. They ruin every aspect of the game and replace too many other classes. Not to mention they are way too easy to play. Oh, and their slows. Please, for the love of God, Nerf Rogue/DK slows. They are unbareable and it makes it nearly impossible to get away from them. Warriors hardly have any of these things along with less damage. I wish the warrior class was still powerful and DK's were removed from the game. That is all.

[ambigiouslynamed]

This thread will be filled with people saying warriors are fine and stop crying.

It is those people who are just happy that warriors are now mostly an easy kill and no longer a powerful class, so they will say anything to deny your claim.

I have 5 85s. Warrior, mage, dk, priest, and druid. All 4 other classes perform much better than the warrior class hands down. I no longer have fun playing my warrior because it is such a struggle against everything. Warriors have a problem. My feral and Dk can do what my warrior can, only better.. much better.

Every warrior complained on the forums last patch. Blizzard asked for feedback and many people gave them great feedback regarding the problems within the class. How many were addressed? We got MS buffed... and so did other classes. Blizzard has obviously given up balance until MoP, forcing us to wait.

u play half the classes and claim warriors are terrible GJ GOOD FUCKING JOB