My names Exordin, and I'm a Shockaholic.

[Deleted]

Want to start off by saying howdy to everyone here, this'll be my first post on mmo.

Now for business.

I play a Holy DPS Paladin, I topped DPS through Vanilla dungeons, then BC dungeons, then Wrath dungeons through Cataclysm. Unfortunately my DPS halted at Cataclysm dungeons, which forced me to go ret. This made me sad. I know exactly why I topped DPS in dungeons until Cat, it's because the vast majority of dungeons will have Demons or Undead. This means in most dungeons I'll have guaranteed Exorcism crits, and even when I don't have a Demon or a Zombie to shred, Exorcism still hits hard. But alas, for once Demons and Zombies aren't the antagonist this expansion, so my Holy DPS'ing days were over.

Then came WoE. I giggled like a school girl, because I got to slap on my Holy and pew pew again. My DPS was great, and I was enjoying it. But I can't just do WoE repeatedly, it'd drive me insane. So I Q up for a random, then cry on the inside as I get End Time and have to jump back to ret.

The point of this post; I really want Holy DPS to become viable in raid conditions, without being the insane healers they are. Thus I have thought a few things up...

1. Lightform: Assume a Lightform, increasing your Holy damage by 15% and increasing all party and raid members spell crit by 5%. However, you may not cast Healing spells while in this form, or for 10 seconds after deactivating it. In Lightform, Light of Dawn will damage enemy targets, instead of healing friendly targets - the same applies for Holy Radiance. (Lightform would be akin to Shadowform, increasing a priests damage whilst limiting it's healing capabilities. Glyph of Light of Dawn would be converted to reduce the number of enemy targets hit by two, but increase its damage by xx%)

2. Several glyphs would need to be implemented to increase performance - for example: Glyph of Inquisition, increasing its duration and Glyph of Avenging Guardian, making Guardian of Ancient Kings similar to a Blood Deathknights Dancing Rune weapon. The guardian will mimic the Paladins offensive spells for less damage. Glyph of Exorcism would also need to stack the debuff.

I'm not demanding this is thought about, but I really hope come MoP, Blizzard allow Holy Paladins to DPS again in a PvE enviroment.

What are your own concerns/thoughts on this? I'd rather have constructive responses - being against or for the idea, just make sure it's justifiable.

Thanks for reading.

[Deleted]

in my oppinion, blizzard made a GREAT job when they put a symbol next to each talent tree. The symbol tells you which role that talent tree is supposed to fill. Funny how an healer role appears next to holy and a damage role appears next to retri.

Which is why I think it's a very bad idea.

[Deleted]

in my oppinion, blizzard made a GREAT job when they put a symbol next to each talent tree. The symbol tells you which role that talent tree is supposed to fill. Funny how an healer role appears next to holy and a damage role appears next to retri.

Which is why I think it's a very bad idea.

I don't think this can be an argument against Holy DPS, breaking the mould encourages improvement in our specs and classes. I remember all the warlock, mage and shaman tanks, in fact I'm a good friend of a shaman who tanks for his 10man group, including some DS fights. If the spec is semi viable (I'm doing WoE and always breaking 1st/2nd dps) then why does it matter if it's not as it's "supposed" to be? We're already over the half way line, so why not just finish the shockadin tree?

[Ajwon]

They're even splitting the feral tree for druids now to keep the specs separated. If you want to dps and heal there is already disc for that and monks in MoP. Holy is focused around healing and it should remain so.

[Deleted]

Ahh well, must be the only one in this boat then. Doesn't mean I'm going to stop Holy DPSing, good results are viable results.

Edit: My mains a Disc priest on DB, so I know the difference here, I don't want to do both, I want to do viable caster damage on non-demon/undead, not healing.

[Deleted]

I had fun dpsing as Holy too.
That were some good times

[zcks]

I had fun dpsing as Holy too.
That were some good times

I miss them as well.

I used to be one of my realms few ret paladins back in the day (this was during late vanilla through BC) & I did good for how bad ret was back then & got all the way through T% with the spec pre nerf.

But when it came to PvP I always preferred going as a shockadin. I may not have had the best offensive potential of all the specs but I was still decent & god could I annoy people with how much survivability & utility I had which makes me sad since both holy & ret are so easy to lock down & or kite & counter due to the sheer number of people with offensive dispels anymore.

[Eggers]

No, no and no.

But this is a pretty good troll post. A+ for effort. Pretty funny read.

Infracted.

~Fiddlesnarf

[zcks]

All That being said they could stand to make ret a bit more like the old shockadin spec.


During cataclysm beta for the 2 weeks they actually worked on ret it did have holy shock for the majority of the time. The only reason it lost the use of holy shock was because it made the holy power generation so fast & combined with no CD being on WOG gave the spec to much healing.

Since WOG has a CD now they could stand to bring the ability back to ret, which would be quite good for the spec because not only would it get another filler which wouldn't be reliant on RNG but it would be a ranged filler to help lessen the ease with which ret can be made offensively useless via kiting.

Then again of they did not want to do that they could always tweak exorcism & the art of war slightly.
First lower the mana cost of the exorcism to roughly 4-5k.
Second change the art of war so that exorcism is always instant cast for ret, but only mana free & double damage when it procs.

This would reduce ret's problems with kiting & give the spec another filler that wasn't reliant on RNG.

[Mayaluen]

in my oppinion, blizzard made a GREAT job when they put a symbol next to each talent tree. The symbol tells you which role that talent tree is supposed to fill. Funny how an healer role appears next to holy and a damage role appears next to retri.

Which is why I think it's a very bad idea.

Yeah, having flexibility and range of fun was terrible. It's a good thing Blizzard made this game have a total of 3 archetypes and 6 unique abilities now.

[Redfern]

make a caster

[Rowdysattva]

I totally loved shockadin spec. I would love to be able to play it again in WOW in MOP. I enjoy your interest and bring attention to this. It will NOT happen. Sad, but it will NOT happen. Why?

They are not supporting "hybrid" types of talent build atm. What the hyprid means here is taking a tank spec and healing with it or a healing spec and dpsing with it. They don't want you to be able to build a dps build with a healing or tank spec, so they will not support this. Sad.

The shadowpriest "can" heal out of shadowform but the shadowpriest is NOT a healer nor does it have great heals. Holy paladin has great heals. Its not that you didn't think of this as you modified your "lightform" ability... BUT shadowpriest is a dps who "can" heal but is not good at it. That is the best you can hope for in holy dps. Can dps but not good at it. They are separating the feral tree so that its not tank and/or dps but only one or the other. So given this design philosophy i can't see them working on holy dps really at all. You would have as much luck trying to get them to make RET viable at healing even when specced ret... in a raid environment, like you are asking for for holy.

Again, i loved shockadin and would love to play them again.

[Quarts]

I don't understand why Paladins are constantly wanting to DPS as a spec that is, and always will be, a healing spec. If you want to be a ranged DPS so badly, why not roll a class that does just that? Mages, Warlocks, Balance Druids, and Hunters are all ranged DPS classes that preform well in a raiding environment. Why change Paladins again just to make them fulfill a role that so many classes already do?

[Deleted]

Shockadin is worse then arcane mages in terms of a 'dps rotation', just dont see where the fun part of that is, and as its already been said, go reroll a class that was made to be a caster dps.

Also you topped dps in the previous 3 expansions? I am impressed and very confused at the same time

[Deleted]

I'd love to be able to do ranged DPS on my Paladin, never really liked playing as melee.

[Keoren]

Godspeed, don't let anyone come between you and your dream of succeeding as a ranged dps paladin.

[Ceresc]

I have to say that i would love to see Blizz add a Holy Caster DPS role for Paladins. Let me start with a few points of my own personal reasons.
I love my Paladin, in fact, I love all three of my Holy paladins. I love playing them from lvl 1 all the way to lvl 80. Then I hate hate hate them until they reach 85 and I can gear them for raiding/PvP.

If I want to play a caster dps why don't I just role a dps class?

I don't WANT to play a mage or a warlock or a boomkin or a shadow priest.
I WANT to play my paladin.
I WANT to get my achieve points on my paladin.
I WANT to get all my fancy mounts on my PALADIN.
I DON'T want a whole bunch of characters that I never play because I LIKE playing my paladin.

I took your advice, and I hated it. I have a mage, a warlock, a boomkin, AND a Shaman, [I hate priests (with a passion)] and I didn't like playing any of them. There they sit at lvl 85, just sitting there in my character line up, taunting me. Laughing at how I want to play a caster dps but can't.

Also you topped dps in the previous 3 expansions?

Yes, yes I did this too and it was fun. From lvl 1 to lvl 80, I spam my holy spells and rock my wings and glory in my ability to pull with an Exo, Judge, Holy Shock, (on the run) and smack with a Hammer before it even reaches me. Unfortunately, Exorcism doesn't scale after 80 and that makes me a sad Pally.

[Ciah]

I used to love doing this. During Wrath faceroll dungeons I would queue with a shockadin spec, tanks didn't even take damage in heroics so I could DPS 90% of the time and just toss a heal here and there for boss fights. Most people appreciated me helping the run go faster and occasionally, in the dungeons with undead enemies, I would even beat the DPS on the damage meters, while keeping everyone alive. Fun times.

I would love for Paladins to get a ranged DPS tree and Shamans to get their tanking toolkit back.

[Selgar]

He topped DPS meters in his group of 1..

not a bad troll though.

[Sylv_]

Blizzard has thought of everything and a year plus ahead then what you're currently on.

They get paid to sit there ( NOW, but not before when they were in the process of the creation of Blizzard) and brainstorm all day.

So they've thought of everything they want this game to be, and have a plan to push it that direction. The only thing that stops their deployments are whiny community members in the percentiles they cannot ignore, orrrrr things like Korea saying we don't want your RMAH!!!!! JK, made you wait


Y U NO LET US RMAH KOREEAAAAAANNNNNNN

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