For Hire Board

[smegdawg]

I always prefer to collect the mats and have someone make an item for me, rather than buy a crafted item off the AH.

But then you have to actually find someone with the pattern that you need crafted. When I play I do not enjoy sitting around in Org/SW spamming trade and hoping there is someone who is sitting around with the pattern I need.

I would like to see a board outside the AH that players can use like a classifieds section in the newspaper.

Crafters can post their individual patterns for a modest fee, or their entire list of patterns for a much larger fee. The crafter can list a price for each item using his mats, and one for using yours. Have the posting stay up until reset each week when the crafter can decide to refresh it for a slightly reduced price or let it fall off.

The Board would work much like the Guild professions tab, showing both online and offline crafters. Crafters could also add a sales pitch to their post. Saying how and when to contact them. (Mail, CoD, Whisper, Alts, ect.)

As the patches progressed and crafted items became less popular this wouldn't get as much use but could still be very helpful. (New Enchanters looking Rods, Blacksmiths looking for alchy cooldowns, Leg armor, thread, food)

Bored at work today and this idea popped into my mind.

What do you think?

[Twilightdawn]

I think its a good idea, but the way you worded it confused me, like your putting TOO much thought into it, why not just have a board, where everyone on the server+ faction who can craft an item ( that you search the name of ) is listed, and whether or not they're online

[UunaPriest]

Most server forums already have a list of who has newest raid patterns. (though not complete since not everyone uses it)
An in-game feature would be a nice addition.

Also: I only clicked on this link because I thought it said "for hire broad"

[beanman12345]

While the concept sounds good on paper, I'm just not sure how it would work in game.

First off, you need to remove the idea of "price" otherwise it becomes even worse then the AH having to stand there to constantly undercut. When I want someone to make something, I always tip, but I determine that amount. I do not let anyone else dictate how much I'm tipping. Yes they have the recipe, but in the end I did 99% of the work, collecting mats, and they are simply taking 2 seconds to click a button. I set my own tip. And that's all it is, is a tip. I'm not paying them, I'm thanking them.

Second, if I'm a crafter, I do not want to be bothered when I'm in a raid because someone saw my sales pitch. Usually I'm happy to do it between groups and such, but when I'm running an instance I don't want to be bothered with spam.

It's an amazing concept, don't get me wrong, just needs to be tweeked and adjusted a bit.

[smegdawg]

I think its a good idea, but the way you worded it confused me, like your putting TOO much thought into it, why not just have a board, where everyone on the server+ faction who can craft an item ( that you search the name of ) is listed, and whether or not they're online

I tend to put to much thought into thing. The main reason I didn't just have every crafter listed is because then it would be free.

I thought it would be better to charge people to post ( like an actual newspaper classified ), and then give the crafters more options on how they want to market their crafts.

[Twilightdawn]

I tend to put to much thought into thing. The main reason I didn't just have every crafter listed is because then it would be free.

I thought it would be better to charge people to post ( like an actual newspaper classified ), and then give the crafters more options on how they want to market their crafts.

But thats not really helping anyone, you wouldn't have a list of many crafters because some would be too cheap to post on there, and would simply make a macro that links their Profession

[smegdawg]

First off, you need to remove the idea of "price" otherwise it becomes even worse then the AH having to stand there to constantly undercut. When I want someone to make something, I always tip, but I determine that amount. I do not let anyone else dictate how much I'm tipping. Yes they have the recipe, but in the end I did 99% of the work, collecting mats, and they are simply taking 2 seconds to click a button. I set my own tip. And that's all it is, is a tip. I'm not paying them, I'm thanking them.

Second, if I'm a crafter, I do not want to be bothered when I'm in a raid because someone saw my sales pitch. Usually I'm happy to do it between groups and such, but when I'm running an instance I don't want to be bothered with spam.

It's an amazing concept, don't get me wrong, just needs to be tweeked and adjusted a bit.

1)There is always going price for the BoP items(Chaos/frozen orbs, tailors BoP cloth) those are the items that would be listed with a price. As for tipping I agree and so would a smart crafter adding a "free with your mats" note to certain crafts.

2)Being bothered in raids/arenas/bg is one thing I was concerned about. A note saying when its ok to contact may help but you are still gonna get the person that doesn't /who before whispering you to see where you are. Maybe make a direct mail from the board that also sends you a little message like the one you get from your auctions selling

Tweak Away!

[Twilightdawn]

1)There is always going price for the BoP items(Chaos/frozen orbs, tailors BoP cloth) those are the items that would be listed with a price. As for tipping I agree and so would a smart crafter adding a "free with your mats" note to certain crafts.

2)Being bothered in raids/arenas/bg is one thing I was concerned about. A note saying when its ok to contact may help but you are still gonna get the person that doesn't /who before whispering you to see where you are. Maybe make a direct mail from the board that also sends you a little message like the one you get from your auctions selling

Tweak Away!

Those items aren't BoP anymore, besides the cloth, so the whole price idea would be useless after the patch ( usually not too far into a expac ) that makes orbs BoE/rollable by everyone

[smegdawg]

But thats not really helping anyone, you wouldn't have a list of many crafters because some would be too cheap to post on there, and would simply make a macro that links their Profession

Unless that crafter is on 24 hours a day spamming his macro every time it drops outta the chat window, he is not going to maximize his potential clients.

Most of the raiding groups I have been in start on tuesdays. But rarely do they ever end or begin at the same times as the others. This way I could be raiding lets say from 6-9 and someone raided from 5-8 and got the last Essence of Destruction9(example) they need for a craft could see that I could craft it even though I am not spamming in trade.

The price would be reason able to. Off the top of my head I would say 10-15 per item 75-100 for thew entire catalog, for a week long post. That means you can spend your time actually out in the world making gold through quests/farming/raiding/grouping.

Edit: Chaos orbs were BoP untill 4.3... the last patch of the expansion. They are also an example. Apple + Apple = 2 Apple, Orange + Orange =/= 2 apple

[Twilightdawn]

Unless that crafter is on 24 hours a day spamming his macro every time it drops outta the chat window, he is not going to maximize his potential clients.

Most of the raiding groups I have been in start on tuesdays. But rarely do they ever end or begin at the same times as the others. This way I could be raiding lets say from 6-9 and someone raided from 5-8 and got the last Essence of Destruction9(example) they need for a craft could see that I could craft it even though I am not spamming in trade.

The price would be reason able to. Off the top of my head I would say 10-15 per item 75-100 for thew entire catalog, for a week long post. That means you can spend your time actually out in the world making gold through quests/farming/raiding/grouping.

Edit: Chaos orbs were BoP untill 4.3... the last patch of the expansion. They are also an example. Apple + Apple = 2 Apple, Orange + Orange =/= 2 apple

Guess i missed your point, basically what you want is an auction house for other peoples patterns, in which case, way to nuke the social aspect of professions, and i can't speak for other people, but i really wouldn't want random people Whispering me to have me make them things while i'm questing/farming/raiding/grouping, that would just be really, really annoying

[smegdawg]

Guess i missed your point, basically what you want is an auction house for other peoples patterns, in which case, way to nuke the social aspect of professions, and i can't speak for other people, but i really wouldn't want random people Whispering me to have me make them things while i'm questing/farming/raiding/grouping, that would just be really, really annoying

Lawl, social realms and blizzards direction as of late. But you got me there, because as of now the only "social" aspect of professions is seeing the same message In trade chat every 30 seconds then a couple whispers consisting of:

Player one - How much for X?
Player two - free with your mats tip appreciated.
P2 ok
*party invite
*both players fly towards each other missing one another and have to fly back due to loading. Both players open trade bug it out. and have to out distance the bugged out trade window.
*P1 gives mats
*P2 crafts and open trade again but waits to click accept until he sees the money.
P1- Thanks!
P2- np
/end scene

[Twilightdawn]

Not sure what you mean by bugged out trading, never have had a problem with it, but yes, thats the norm, but how is it possible for the irregular to happen if we prevent it. Plus despite some anti-social changes, wow is still very much social, guilds, Cross real raiding with your friends, real id in general

[smegdawg]

The bugged out trade window is something I have encounter quite a bit. Both players will attempt to open trade at the exact moment and they will both get a message saying the other player is busy until the out distance the trade window floating in limbo.

I do not think this would prevent social interaction from happening. I would hope this would facilitate more person to person trade instead of trading via the auction house. More dialog to negotiate prices, more returning customers for enchanters JC's and Alchemists.

Yes guilds and grouping through real ID continue to help the social aspect of wow, guilds even more so with all the mega 25 man guilds. I was talking about the social interaction of each individual realm between guilds and factions. But that is a discussion for another forum.

[Twilightdawn]

The bugged out trade window is something I have encounter quite a bit. Both players will attempt to open trade at the exact moment and they will both get a message saying the other player is busy until the out distance the trade window floating in limbo.

I do not think this would prevent social interaction from happening. I would hope this would facilitate more person to person trade instead of trading via the auction house. More dialog to negotiate prices, more returning customers for enchanters JC's and Alchemists.

Yes guilds and grouping through real ID continue to help the social aspect of wow, guilds even more so with all the mega 25 man guilds. I was talking about the social interaction of each individual realm between guilds and factions. But that is a discussion for another forum.

Guess i'm just lucky with bugs and not seeing them, but clear this up for me, you want a feature that works like an auction house, except for certain patterns, but don't think that will prevent social interaction? With how people, or most people, are these days, it wouldn't be more dialogue negotiating, it would be the guy with the profession saying Give me X amount of money, the buyer saying no or thats too expensive, and the seller refusing to go lower with his price

[smegdawg]

My initial idea was to have it so when someone(client) wanted something made they would search the listings on the board to find a crafter with a price that was agreeable to the client. Then they would send a mail similar to a CoD, we'll call it CoC(Cash on Craft), where the crafter would receive the mail with the materials but could only use them to craft the specific item/s listed in the CoC. As soon as he crafts it the mail is sent back to the client and he receives his payment and what ever tip the client wanted to give.

^That version seemed to impersonal, no social interaction, just clicking a few buttons, and fairly clunky.

The version I actually posted doesn't necessarily create more lengthy and engaging trade conversations, but it does enable you to advertise your self 24/7, which could lead to more transactions between players (obviously speculation cause all this is is a thought I had while eating my orange at work).

[Darkfriend]

While the concept sounds good on paper, I'm just not sure how it would work in game.

First off, you need to remove the idea of "price" otherwise it becomes even worse then the AH having to stand there to constantly undercut. When I want someone to make something, I always tip, but I determine that amount. I do not let anyone else dictate how much I'm tipping. Yes they have the recipe, but in the end I did 99% of the work, collecting mats, and they are simply taking 2 seconds to click a button. I set my own tip. And that's all it is, is a tip. I'm not paying them, I'm thanking them.

Second, if I'm a crafter, I do not want to be bothered when I'm in a raid because someone saw my sales pitch. Usually I'm happy to do it between groups and such, but when I'm running an instance I don't want to be bothered with spam.

It's an amazing concept, don't get me wrong, just needs to be tweeked and adjusted a bit.

Except for those patterns that we get while raiding, or spend days doing dailies, or whatever. If I don't like the tip I won't make you the item.

[goki]

Board should be like this:

Go to a board, check an item you want crafted, deposit mats, deposit workers fee. Anyone with the proper profession and patters can see your "bid", click "craft" at the interface and receive the gold, you can then check your mail or the board for the completed item, everyone wins, you always have the option of cancelling your order so you don't have to wait indefinitely with mats and gold in limbo.

My 2 cents.

[Twilightdawn]

Board should be like this:

Go to a board, check an item you want crafted, deposit mats, deposit workers fee. Anyone with the proper profession and patters can see your "bid", click "craft" at the interface and receive the gold, you can then check your mail or the board for the completed item, everyone wins, you always have the option of cancelling your order so you don't have to wait indefinitely with mats and gold in limbo.

My 2 cents.

Yeah, i can be this a lot smoother, especially with the whole being able to cancel if you decide you want your mats back, but there would have to be some kind of fee, maybe losing the price deposited for the workers payment

[DeulonUS]

I think its a good idea, but the way you worded it confused me, like your putting TOO much thought into it, why not just have a board, where everyone on the server+ faction who can craft an item ( that you search the name of ) is listed, and whether or not they're online

Not everyone likes being spammed by random people all day asking them to craft things for them. I personally only craft things for friends unless I am making a decent profit out of the deal, and lately I have been noticing that the majority of people that want (items crafted gems cut, items enchanted, etc) don't want to tip for shit, so I don't even bother swapping characters.

I would personally refuse to have my name on said board unless I was guaranteed to make a decent profit from it.

[Hoticehunter]

Rather than a "For Hire/LFW" board, what about a "Reverse AH" where the buyer puts up their order and then people can complete the order?

Ideally you would be able to put up orders for anything from crafted items to raw mats like ore and herbs.