[Megathread] DotA 2

[EqualWin]

He has too much base armor, and he has too move movespeed. Nerf him down to 300 movespeed and remove 3 armor and he's fine.

and hes useless, he has shitty range for a reason, he needs to be in "melee" to do his stuff. he also has low hp but rly high armor.



hes good hero overall, I dont think hes op, I mean cmon what has changed from the last years? he only got nerfed, his E still the same shit(after the nerf), W is good now but still pros barely go for it. his q also got nerfed at lvl 1, int nerf. not obnoxious as lesh or bloodseeker, I like him

[PizzaSHARK]

Poison touch first Dazzle is still really strong...using him as nothing more than a grave bot makes me really sad. He can 1v1 many carrys early in the game with ease.

Same as skipping homing missile on gyro. Insanely good skill that pros only take a value point in or skip altogether.

People aren't going to have time to shoot down the 500 dmg 4 sec stun missile in the middle of a teamfight.

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and hes useless, he has shitty range for a reason, he needs to be in "melee" to do his stuff. he also has low hp but rly high armor.



hes good hero overall, I dont think hes op, I mean cmon what has changed from the last years? he only got nerfed, his E still the same shit(after the nerf), W is good now but still pros barely go for it. his q also got nerfed at lvl 1, int nerf. not obnoxious as lesh or bloodseeker, I like him

What changed was rockets becoming instant cast.

[Drunkenvalley]

Same as skipping homing missile on gyro. Insanely good skill that pros only take a value point in or skip altogether.

People aren't going to have time to shoot down the 500 dmg 4 sec stun missile in the middle of a teamfight.

That's not the problem. The problem is that every point spent in Homing Missile is a point not spent in Flak Cannon, and that skill is going to do a lot more damage in teamfights than the rocket. Missile's also not very good damage for farming, and when ganking your Rocket Barrage + Call Down is significantly more effective to begin with...

[Lysah]

I'm not trying to say that Dazzle is weak character, it's just poison touch isn't strong enough (or two other options are too strong) to give any motivation to level it up first

Don't overlook 100% uptime at rank 4.

and hes useless, he has shitty range for a reason, he needs to be in "melee" to do his stuff. he also has low hp but rly high armor.

Flak cannon has the range of an entire screen, actually, so does call down and rocket. Barrage is literally the only thing that requires him to be in melee. Beyond that one skill, he outranges just about everyone else in the game.

[Charge me Doctor]

Don't overlook 100% uptime at rank 4.

If you have rank 4 poison touch you either lack 1k range and 15 sec CD shallow grave or 6 seconds cd 140 heal bouncing up to 6 targets. That's the problem. Rank 1-2 shallow grave puts you into danger of not being able to save and ally, rank 4 shallow grave gives you opportunity to save an ally twice in a same fight. Spammable heal that also deals lots of damage in proper conditions is also much better option than poison touch.

Even with 100% uptime - it's not a double x4 multicast fireblast, yes it helps to kite shit like Ursa, SK, Naix but there is always blinks, BKBs, force staffs, etc

The only way i see poison touch being relevant in a game is when dazzle is not a position 5 pick. I'm not sure how Dazzle mid works in current meta, but it used to do wonders, but then shit like storm spirit happened. Ugh.

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and hes useless, he has shitty range for a reason, he needs to be in "melee" to do his stuff. he also has low hp but rly high armor.

He is not useless, he deals damage to whole enemy team, has value rocket for instant 2s stun and his barrage is early-game thing, i haven't seen any Gyro who would go melee Jugg because he wanted to use rocket barrage on him - it's always better to spew 800 crits on whole enemy team from relatively safe distance

[Lysah]

Don't need shallow grave if nobody on your team dies

[EqualWin]

He is not useless, he deals damage to whole enemy team, has value rocket for instant 2s stun and his barrage is early-game thing, i haven't seen any Gyro who would go melee Jugg because he wanted to use rocket barrage on him - it's always better to spew 800 crits on whole enemy team from relatively safe distance

its not instant, it takes forever to move and put a big mark on whoever get it so he can run.

yeah he deals a lot of damage, way too much, but guess what?most of his dmg is magical. crits on the whole team? flask cannon can't crit, every would go x2 Daedalus if it did, yea still a lot of aoe dmg, but mostly magical unless he has divine rapiers.

[Deleted]

Don't need shallow grave if nobody on your team dies

In the words of Singx2: "They cant kill you, if they are dead!".

[PizzaSHARK]

That's not the problem. The problem is that every point spent in Homing Missile is a point not spent in Flak Cannon, and that skill is going to do a lot more damage in teamfights than the rocket. Missile's also not very good damage for farming, and when ganking your Rocket Barrage + Call Down is significantly more effective to begin with...

You're talking about a spammable, infinite range 500 damage nuke that stuns for 4 sec and can't be disjointed. You cast it on someone and then go back to what you were doing. It vastly outweighs flak cannon for early game fighting, which is the current meta. You simply cannot ignore missiles in the way you can ignore flak cannon before gyro has tons of farm.

[LiiLoSNK]

Venoling looks like a little hydralisk..... Only courier I've ever really wanted.

Thank you god 3rd try.

[Omertocracy]

Don't need shallow grave if nobody on your team dies

Nobody dies on your team if you have Shallow Grave.

Speaking of Dazzle, a buddy of mine was flabbergasted when I beat a Kunkka with equal farm as Dazzle. Everyone underestimates Dazzle's offensive capabilities except people who fucking play Dazzle. Although since then everyone insists I play Dazzle every goddamn game. Dazzle.

[PizzaSHARK]

Got AA and Rubick immortals from the new chests, supported Synderen and LD with my buys. I'm happy with it, finally got immortals for heroes I actually play.

[RobertoCarlos]

dazzle's a lot of fun too. All his spells are good. Nice damage and attack animation. Needs fuck all items to own and you can be a game winner.

[LiiLoSNK]

Shoulda flipped Freeagain's autograph trove image so the dota 2 logo in his hair doesn't look backwards and retarded.

[Jester Joe]

Got AA and Rubick immortals from the new chests, supported Synderen and LD with my buys. I'm happy with it, finally got immortals for heroes I actually play.

Those are the exact same immortals I got though...

[Keldarin]

Supported random people I have no idea who are. Probably some Chinese or Russian casters.

bought all 10 chests to get the items and the compendium xp. And because my compendium leveled up I got another immortal chest, the golden luna immortal and the night stalker set in one chest.

Now I only need the golden AM blades for all the golden weapons!

[PizzaSHARK]

Supported random people I have no idea who are. Probably some Chinese or Russian casters.

bought all 10 chests to get the items and the compendium xp. And because my compendium leveled up I got another immortal chest, the golden luna immortal and the night stalker set in one chest.

Now I only need the golden AM blades for all the golden weapons!

I can't envision wasting so much real money on crap. Like... there's literally nothing better you could do with that money? Norwegians really are rich, aren't they?

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Played one pub today. First pub in like 2-3 weeks. Immediately remembered why I don't play pubs anymore and why I don't really play dota anymore.

I can't believe how complete shit the balance in this game is. Troll with 452 ms with literally just SnY and his OP passive ms boost. Storm Spirit in general.

They seriously need to fire Icefrog and hire someone competent or make Icefrog start doing his fucking job. This is fucking inexcusable for a multibillion dollar company.

[Charge me Doctor]

Troll is nerfed to the ground, had 0 problems playing vs him since then

[LiiLoSNK]

troll can still be annoying. although yea no hero is broken or unstoppable to the point where he's impossible to deal with.

Option A: Pick the OP hero before they can.

Option B: Counterpick the OP hero.

[Lysah]

Troll isn't bad, but he is no Dazzle.