Sexuality in SWTOR...

[GW2lacky]

I enjoy SWTOR but there is one glaring problem with the game where I feel like I've been sold short. I'm a very apathetic guy when it comes to what anyone else does with their life, but I feel like the sexuality in the game is cheapened and shallow to the point of being ridiculous.

Where is the precedent for so much allusion to sex in Star Wars?
I shouldn't have to be a fan of all things previously made by Bioware to enjoy a game by them which is intended to appeal to a massive audience. BW seems to have followed a lot of elements from previous games and disregarded something that was obviously missing from the Star Wars movies.

If you are going to have sexuality in a game, why make it so cheap and shallow?
I feel like all pre-sex dialog was written by a 14 year old kid with access to 80's porn but no clue about what is actually involved. I half expect Ron Jermey to come strolling in and drop his robe when encountering how cheap and poorly written the scenes are. If BW can't handle something as complex as human [or semi-human] sexuality properly, then don't touch it at all.

Now, before anyone comes in with some tired dialog about "If you don't like it, don't click on it..." I'd argue that you get plenty of creepy+cheesy dialog from male NCPs and all-too-eager+loose dialog from women NPCs just by clicking on them to get a quest. Do a quest and click on three dialog screens and the screen goes to black. Yes, there are plenty of examples of cheap sex and one night stands in real life, but I'd argue that if you tried using that same level of scripted cheese in your approaches you'd be going home from the bar alone.

Perhaps this bothers me more as I'm probably a little older than the average gamer, off my rocker a little, and see there are far more complexities to sex than the game is willing to provide. Perhaps an in-game mail a few months after the 5 second cut-to-black sex scene saying, "I'm pregnant with your half Twi'lek baby," or having to visit the fleet medic because it burns when you pee would add some level of consequence and completeness to a player's actions.

[OhpUldum]

I'd say you're wanting way more realism in a video game. Which let's be realistic here... Its a video game rated for all ages. You're going to open up a hell of a lot more can of worms by having sex be more realistic in this game than what you would see in a pg 13 movie. Especially considering the vocal crowd that already demonizes video games, this would be more fuel to the fodder. Cut to black scenes are the scapegoat for still having a feature but just not fleshing it out fully.

[SirRobin]

Yeah, the sexuality of the content is neutered because of the market the game is aimed at. BioWare has enough problems with this game without having parental type groups on their ass too. Though it would probably be pretty funny to see Blizz, "getting busy."

"Oh baby..."

"UTINI!"

LOL

[hulkgor]

Every Bioware game has romancing, sexuality and even same gender relationships, i don't realize why that surprises you.

People\Relationships\Sexuality\Romance, its all normal in an RPG, imo.

[openair]

Where is the precedent for so much allusion to sex in Star Wars?
I shouldn't have to be a fan of all things previously made by Bioware to enjoy a game by them which is intended to appeal to a massive audience. BW seems to have followed a lot of elements from previous games and disregarded something that was obviously missing from the Star Wars movies.

Theres sex and flirting in SWTOR because there was sex in Star Wars. Jabbas palace. Han & Leia. Anakin and Padme. Anakin and Han used many a cheesy line in the films. And because its a big galaxy and in a big galaxy there's a little bit of everything...

Do a quest and click on three dialog screens and the screen goes to black. Yes, there are plenty of examples of cheap sex and one night stands in real life, but I'd argue that if you tried using that same level of scripted cheese in your approaches you'd be going home from the bar alone.

Even though you said it yourself, you're still somehow missing the biggest difference between the use of cheese in SWTOR and the repeating of this cheese in a "bar" to some stranger...

"DO A QUEST"... you are not simply talking these people up. You have just demonstrated your character, who you are, your moral fiber, to them by doing them a service. Often risking your life, and sometimes even a service above and beyond what they asked for. Or in the case of companions, half a life time (1-50) worth of service and cooperation.

Also i know for a fact the 'cheese' between my male scoundrel and his 2 female romance choices is intended that way, and she cheeses back with both of them having a smirk or half laughing most of the time. Sometimes cheese is a good thing. Some people like cheese. And a hat tip to the movies.

Also we're talking about alien races and alien cultures who have different expectations. If you think most of the dialog is cheese you should check out the romance dialog between a scoundrel and the female mandalorian zabrak.

[lolvik]

Yeah, the sexuality of the content is neutered because of the market the game is aimed at. BioWare has enough problems with this game without having parental type groups on their ass too. Though it would probably be pretty funny to see Blizz, "getting busy."

"Oh baby..."

"UTINI!"

LOL

Thanks. Thanks, just, just thanks. <3

[Balinos]

Man i already saw 1 notice about swtor saying that the game is violent because u can force choke your companion......imagine if the sex stuff gets heavier? lol u mad?

[GW2lacky]

I'd say you're wanting way more realism in a video game. Which let's be realistic here... Its a video game rated for all ages. You're going to open up a hell of a lot more can of worms by having sex be more realistic in this game than what you would see in a pg 13 movie. Especially considering the vocal crowd that already demonizes video games, this would be more fuel to the fodder. Cut to black scenes are the scapegoat for still having a feature but just not fleshing it out fully.

I fully realize they can't have any more realism in the game than what is already there and that definitely would be 55-gallon barrels of worms getting opened up. My overall gist is that if BW can't properly handle the subject and the complexities of it and there is no precedent for it (via the movies)...then they should have left it completely out of the game. I have nothing against sexuality being in the game...but the problem I have is that it seems to have been written by someone who's only experience on the matter is porn and James Bond. Previous BW games that explore the issue seem to be able to approach it with a lot less sleeze and cheapness. These are professional writers and I think they could have done that level pre-sex dialog without anyone having to lose their clothes on screen.

[Queen0fCups]

I think the big problem isn't the sex, it is the quality thereof.

The sex related content in SWTOR is cheesy, almost completely disconnected from what real sex is like, and sexist to both genders.

I don't think it is too much to ask to want a mature topic handled with maturity.

[Nadev]

If SWTOR was more real, you could walk up to Twi'Lek stripper in Nem'ro's palace, pay her some credits and *cue fade to black*.

No, I'd like my game to be a little less like real life.

[GW2lacky]

Man i already saw 1 notice about swtor saying that the game is violent because u can force choke your companion......imagine if the sex stuff gets heavier? lol u mad?

Um, I didn't write anything about force choking a companion...so I don't know why that is being mentioned, but whatever. But either way I have a tip for you: A person can disagree with an aspect of a game and not be mad about it. If you think I'm wrong about what I said then present the opposition to it.

[OhpUldum]

Really the dialogue doesn't seem all that different for me between this game, the movies, the fate of the jedi book series, and I'm sure other star wars universe items I haven't seen. Its pretty immature in its writing style and always has been.

Only reason I can make the comparison to the Fate of the Jedi book series as I am currently finishing the last book. Last book is in the same boat, you read about a playful kiss but everything else is insinuated nothing more.

[GW2lacky]

Every Bioware game has romancing, sexuality and even same gender relationships, i don't realize why that surprises you.

People\Relationships\Sexuality\Romance, its all normal in an RPG, imo.

And they are all handled with the same level of cheese? No, sorry, but BW has done much better in the past.

[philefluxx]

I really think that its all about target audience. I mean they talked about same sex relationships, but we have yet to see them. Why? Just like many have said its a PR nightmare. Not to mention sexuality has always been very tame in the SW universe. There is just more important things going on than getting your rocks off in a galaxy far far away....

[SirRobin]

Not to mention that George probably doesn't want Chewie's secret leaked by BioWare.



He is waiting for the HHDDVVDDBVD version of Return of the Jedi, uncut and undressed edition, to reveal that.

[Deleted]

I subscribe to what other people said about the sexual aspect of swtor being neutered but there's something else that needs to be said.

I don't like the judgement you do of it as "shallow". I hate that a lot of people think they are given a green card into the highway of judgement just because someone mentioned they had sex with no strings attached. Great, sex means a different thing to you but that doesn't make you worth more than anyone else - learn to respect the way other people choose to lead their life.

[JGWentworth]

Man i already saw 1 notice about swtor saying that the game is violent because u can force choke your companion......imagine if the sex stuff gets heavier? lol u mad?

please go kill yourself you bring nothing to this conversation and I would be nothing to the people you play with. Just go away

Infracted

[Darsithis]

All of the sexuality in the game seems fairly ridiculous. It's about as immature as it was in the movie, when I cringed over the wooden dialogue. Honestly...that's probably a good thing when you realize that you don't invest into one character with everything you have like you do with an offline single-player game. The sexuality being cheesy helps keep your distance. To me, at least.

[Hellfury]

As I play female chars, I can count on my fingers the ammount of flirt options I had, wich is funny since the male Agent can like flirt with every single female NPC using his "james bond" charm. And I stay away from romancing male companions since as a male playing a female avatar seems pointless to me, wouldnt mind "sgra" thou.

[Dedweight]

Man i already saw 1 notice about swtor saying that the game is violent because u can force choke your companion......imagine if the sex stuff gets heavier? lol u mad?

Was going to say I don't remember ever being able to force choke any of my companions, then I remembered Quinn and how much he deserved it and how much I wish I could force choke him every time I see him.

That said I agree with the others saying you can't really expect much more than whats shown in the Romance options due to the size of the target audience, would it be nice if they were less cheesy and maybe a little more realistic? Sure it would, I would love to have it somewhere on the level of ME1/2 but that might be pushing it for this particular audience.

Maybe in a future patch they will improve upon it but who knows.