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    So what moral choice you made that got everyone or someone close to you mad at you?

    Mine just happened today.

    Me and my sister her husband live with my parents (due to financial issues), I Have my upstairs bedroom and my sister, my brother-in-law and their two very young daughters (1 and 4) have the whole basement to their selves. Today, my sister caught the flu and she needed me to watch the kids while my brother-in-law was at work.

    So, I'm down stairs watching Beauty and the Beast with my nieces in their "living room" when the youngest about 14 months old got into their mini fridge(which is very EASILY accessible to both of these kids) and saw her playing with a bottle of beer. I was reminded when I was volunteering in the ER at hospital last year when this kid about 3 almost died from alcohol poisoning when he drank his dad's roman coke. I freaked out, and grabbed the beers and brought them to my dad.

    Another thing that is kind of relevant, we live in a conservative Mormon household so my mom, dad, and me has this thing about alcohol, we don't drink it and we don't want it in the house. When they moved in, my dad told my sister and brother-in-law that it is okay to drink when they're out but not to drink and keep any booze in the house. I don't care what your personal beliefs are, but I am very uncomfortable having any here in the house, especially when small children live here.

    Anyway, looking back I would have done some things different, like not going to dad about it and confronting my sister first, but either way it was going to end and it did end with the disposal of the alcohol.

    My dad wasn't going to tell mom about it (since she already has more than enough on her plate atm), and they just got a warning from my dad and a request not to bring anymore home. I feel like I did the right thing, but when my sister found out she punched me in the head, and being even the same room with my brother-in-law it's extremely uncomfortable and I can see murder in his eyes when he looks at me.
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    if the beer is that much of an issue for them, there's a problem imo. i don't like wasting beer either, but i wouldn't punch somebody over it or hold a grudge, especially if i knew i was wrong to have it there in the first place

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    Sorry, all I got from you was that dont keep booze in your house. You would have a fit if you knew what i got up to.

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    Personally I think children shouldn't have easy access to Alcohol or Drugs. Kids then to taste things, put things in their mouths to identify with them, and while a child may not be able to open a bottle of beer, you don't really wanna risk it in my view. The people were irresponsible in my opinion. If I offered someone a home due to their financial issues, and one of the terms was no Alcohol in the house (which, personally is not an issue) i'd expect them to respect that.

    As for personally, nothing I can think of. I've done things that have annoyed friends, purely to get them out of trouble, such as winding them up, or beating them up a bit so they leave an area or a situation, but I don't really feel the same way about morals that many people do. To me their someones rules as to why I should feel obliged or bad about certain things.

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    my family hates when i have compassion for "pathetic" people. I understand people might be lazy, or they might be attempting to trick me, but i still will help someone if i can.

    I have my values that are sacred versus what a person "could" do to me, not what IS they are doing to me. In other words, i don't mind if people screw me over once or twice, since i uphold my own values, and i see other people denying their own values if they screw me over.

    It's like a bias Justice Good outlook. So I'm compassionate to other people, even when my family tries to stay close knit and racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH1471 View Post
    Sorry, all I got from you was that dont keep booze in your house. You would have a fit if you knew what i got up to.
    It wasn't just the fact that alcohol wasn't allowed in the house at all. It's where they kept it: in a mini fridge where the kids could easily could get into it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I stand in fire View Post
    It wasn't just the fact that alcohol wasn't allowed in the house at all, it where it was kept. In a mini fridge where the kids could easily could get into it.
    Alcohol is a byproduct of cellular metabolic functions in the human body.

    So you're packing alcohol, better leave your house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleSilas View Post
    Alcohol is a byproduct of cellular metabolic functions in the human body.

    So you're packing alcohol, better leave your house.
    You know I did say I didn't give a damn about your views on alcohol.

    It's fine that you like to drink (as long you do so responsibly), but I don't want anything to do with the stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I stand in fire View Post
    You know I did say I didn't give a damn about your views on alcohol.

    It's fine that you like to drink, but I don't want anything to do with the stuff.
    Then what's wrong with your sister and her husband enjoying a beer?

    You just don't drink it, no harm done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleSilas View Post
    Alcohol is a byproduct of cellular metabolic functions in the human body.

    So you're packing alcohol, better leave your house.
    Cellular respiration via fermentation doesn't produce ethanol in mammals, it produces lactic acid.

    OT

    A couple of contextual clues lead me to believe you're not terribly old (maybe a teenager). If that's the case, your sister will forgive you in due time. Not that she has anything to forgive you for imo. Even if beer was allowed, it shouldn't be in a mini-fridge near young children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleSilas View Post
    Then what's wrong with your sister and her husband enjoying a beer?

    You just don't drink it, no harm done.
    They. Brought. It. In. The. House.

    The were told not to the day they moved in and they ignored that request. Also, like I said and where they stored their beer was completely irresponsible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irralis View Post
    Cellular respiration via fermentation doesn't produce ethanol in mammals, it produces lactic acid.

    OT

    A couple of contextual clues lead me to believe you're not terribly old (maybe a teenager). If that's the case, your sister will forgive you in due time. Not that she has anything to forgive you for imo. Even if beer was allowed, it shouldn't be in a mini-fridge near young children.
    I'm 23 and she is 21. And thank you for being supportive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irralis View Post
    Cellular respiration via fermentation doesn't produce ethanol in mammals, it produces lactic acid.

    OT

    A couple of contextual clues lead me to believe you're not terribly old (maybe a teenager). If that's the case, your sister will forgive you in due time. Not that she has anything to forgive you for imo. Even if beer was allowed, it shouldn't be in a mini-fridge near young children.
    Well done. I've never once been called on that, everyone assumes it's correct.

    Now I've to go make up something else mildly correct. Damn you.

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    unclesilas is jerking your chain. he knows as well as i do "you don't pay the mortgage you don't make the rules"

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    Quote Originally Posted by I stand in fire View Post
    They. Brought. It. In. The. House.

    The were told not to the day they moved in and they ignored that request. Also, like I said and where they stored their beer was completely irresponsible.

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    I'm 23 and thank you for being supportive.
    I just don't get the problem.

    You're all adults, sure be mad for not placing it in a proper storage area. And your sister will calm down eventually, not sure about your brother in law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smelltheglove View Post
    unclesilas is jerking your chain. he knows as well as i do "you don't pay the mortgage you don't make the rules"
    Genuinely I'm not, except the alcohol+cell line, I'm really miffed somehow knew it's not true!

    Well I assume the sister is paying some form of rent, so as long as the beer is stored correctly in there section I can't see an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleSilas View Post
    Then what's wrong with your sister and her husband enjoying a beer?

    You just don't drink it, no harm done.
    Was against one of the conditions he mentioned for them being allowed to live there. I doubt the children could open it, but I still don't think keeping beer in a spot that a small child can easily get to is a smart idea either.

    I'll note that I choose not to drink, but I don't have a problem with people who do. It's their personal choice so *shrug*.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleSilas View Post
    I just don't get the problem.

    You're all adults, sure be mad for not placing it in a proper storage area. And your sister will calm down eventually, not sure about your brother in law.

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    Genuinely I'm not, except the alcohol+cell line, I'm really miffed somehow knew it's not true!

    Well I assume the sister is paying some form of rent, so as long as the beer is stored correctly in there section I can't see an issue.
    They're not paying any rent. And for the millionth time, they were told by our parents, who pay the bills and are the head of the house hold, not bring alcohol into the house as a condition to live here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I stand in fire View Post
    They. Brought. It. In. The. House.

    The were told not to the day they moved in and they ignored that request. Also, like I said and where they stored their beer was completely irresponsible.

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    I'm 23 and she is 21. And thank you for being supportive.
    They brought it into a house that you don't own. There's really nothing you can do about it. It's not your choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleSilas View Post
    Then what's wrong with your sister and her husband enjoying a beer?

    You just don't drink it, no harm done.
    You're ignoring the point. I don't like people smoking, but it is their choice. However they've no choice in my house. You're not welcome to smoke inside, or even outside of my house.

    The fact here, is that not only is it a household / personal boundaries issue, but the children had easy access to something that could have been damaging to their bodies. Like I said earlier, I doubt the child could have even opened the beer, but children use taste as their primary function at a young age.

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    I stopped hanging out with my best friend for several reasons.

    1) Cheated on his wife...this is a big moral no no for me.
    2) Lives in filth..3 dogs that were never trained pissed and shit all over the house and furniture and when you left his place you smelt like it..had to take a shower every time I got home. They also smoked cigs so that didn't help the smell either.
    3) Since he had his 2 kids he locked his dogs up in a cage in his laundry room and only let them out a couple times a day for 5 min in the SMALL back yard of his townhouse. I have a great sympathy for animals..not like PETA..but enough to find myself disgusted with his treatment of them..his dad is a veterinarian to!
    4) All he ever wanted to do when we hung out was smoke pot in his basement..gets old after a few years.

    I'm sure he would be pissed at me if he knew the reasons and we just kinda stopped talking to each other and haven't spoke in 2 years. It sucks but I had to sever the tie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I stand in fire View Post
    They're not paying any rent. And for the millionth time, they were told by our parents, who pay the bills and are the head of the house hold, not bring alcohol into the house.
    That's all well and good, but surely they can just sit down and talk about it?

    I mean that's part of your parents beliefs, not theirs. It's not going to effect your parents in any negative way with beer being within their home.

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