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  1. #441
    Im happy for the free to play option so I can at least work through some of the storylines at my own pace, as boring as some may be.

    But until they fix the fundamental flaws with the game, its not going to save them.

    Endgame is too easy, I had two fully geared characters within two months or launch, thats not right.

    The game engine is crappy, I can run any other MMO maxed out without an issue, but this one gets random stutters and has a sluggish feel to the whole thing.

    The overall design of the game world is poor, everything is static, zero dynamic events, zero random encounters, zero npcs that actually do anything other than stand in one spot and wait to be killed, or go through their script endlessly with zero regard to the world around them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadylol View Post
    SWTOR's endgame suffers from being too easy, though. I realize that WoW is too hard for certain players, and that makes the game unattractive, but BioWare took it too far with SWTOR, and I think that "easier is better" mentality has really hurt the game
    Rofl, what a bullshit! WoW is too hard ? Since when ? Since they brought LFR ? Since they nerf stuff instead of bringing new content ? Yep, super hard. SWTOR'S endgame doesn't suffer from anything. There's not many things to do, but it will grow and things will be added in the future, no worries there. Players just don't realize that every MMO needs time, over the time, it becomes better. And after that, it can get either even better or stay the way it is, or go the downward spiral.
    "Times change."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guntha View Post
    what content?

    swtor hasnt had any for over 5 months
    thats almost as long as blizzard takes to put out content in wow, swtor cant afford to do that, as its shown, they have losy most of there subs since launch due to problems with the game, and lack of any real new content.

    also im guessing that the free to play will also hit them hard at the start.
    There hasn't been content because they were forced to start rapidly revamping to an F2P system. Yes they probably had a framework, but if they don't launch with tons of things to spend money on then they fail. If they had strong subs and weren't going F2P, you probably would have seen an update by now.

    Not to mention that saying they haven't had content in 5 months is hyperbole.

  4. #444
    Quote Originally Posted by Forsedar View Post
    That is the point of the F2P option- for those to experience the story without having to pay a monthly fee for it. They have 50 levels to either get hooked on the game or not. If they get hooked, chances are they will subscribe to the game. If they don't get hooked, they still played the game.
    If anything they will sell many copies of the game...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crysis View Post
    And after that, it can get either even better or stay the way it is, or go the downward spiral.
    It's gems like this from lol/rofl posters that make me come back here. Your contribution has certainly not gone unnoticed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thevoicefromwithin View Post
    It's gems like this from lol/rofl posters that make me come back here. Your contribution has certainly not gone unnoticed.
    ^^ alright, this wasn't my smartest moment tbh.. the rest remains true

    oh and by the way, calling me a lol poster since this was the first time I used this is kind of silly too
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crysis View Post
    ^^ alright, this wasn't my smartest moment tbh.. the rest remains true

    oh and by the way, calling me a lol poster since this was the first time I used this is kind of silly too
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  8. #448
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadylol View Post
    If they "get hooked" on the story, then they still don't really have any reason to subscribe, for other content
    If they never release any content at all then you have a point. However, if they do like they have said they are going to and raise the level cap and extend the stories your point goes out the window because they made a point of saying in the announcement that subs will get access to all future content for no extra charge.

  9. #449
    Quote Originally Posted by Kittyvicious View Post
    There hasn't been content because they were forced to start rapidly revamping to an F2P system. Yes they probably had a framework, but if they don't launch with tons of things to spend money on then they fail. If they had strong subs and weren't going F2P, you probably would have seen an update by now.

    Not to mention that saying they haven't had content in 5 months is hyperbole.
    how is it huperbole?

    the last content update was patch 1.2 and that was aleast 4-5 months agp, patch 1.3 was nothing but QOL features such as LFG tool.

    so your theary is that they have not done anything new becuase of free to play, so they knew about f2p way back before patch 1.3?

    thats a fucking joke and goes way against what they said they woudl be doing.

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    QoL features are content updates. They introduced 1.3 which gave us quite a bit. It redefined augmenting, allowing us to min/Max properly. It came out with LFG and rated war zones. There were many legacy updates and class overhauls. If that's not a content update then I don't know what one is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guntha View Post
    how is it huperbole?

    the last content update was patch 1.2 and that was aleast 4-5 months agp, patch 1.3 was nothing but QOL features such as LFG tool.

    so your theary is that they have not done anything new becuase of free to play, so they knew about f2p way back before patch 1.3?

    thats a fucking joke and goes way against what they said they woudl be doing.
    If you think that a major game company decides the night before an earnings call that they are going F2P and have people photoshop some bullshit for an official public release you are insane.

    They have probably had concepts and strategies for F2P since before launch. Please open your eyes and realize that companies have to think ahead and have back up plans in order to make money. Thank god you are not the CEO of a large and publicly traded company.

    In regards to content, Forse said it just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kittyvicious View Post
    If you think that a major game company decides the night before an earnings call that they are going F2P and have people photoshop some bullshit for an official public release you are insane.

    They have probably had concepts and strategies for F2P since before launch. Please open your eyes and realize that companies have to think ahead and have back up plans in order to make money. Thank god you are not the CEO of a large and publicly traded company.

    In regards to content, Forse said it just fine.
    your right, if i was the CEO of EA i would not have made BW rush the game out unfinished, id have waited an extra year

    I would also not pull the plug at the first sign of trouble and then blame the dev team which in turn would mean they wouldnt be layed off.

    I would see that an MMO can take a few years to created a solid hardcore following and not expect the brand IP to carrie the game.

    If you think they have planned this and i mean BW then your wrong, this has been EA's plan to milk the game that they think is not worth bothering about anymore.

    yes im really happy that im not a money grabbing short sighted greedy bastard of a CEO like the one EA has now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guntha View Post
    how is it huperbole?

    the last content update was patch 1.2 and that was aleast 4-5 months agp, patch 1.3 was nothing but QOL features such as LFG tool.

    so your theary is that they have not done anything new becuase of free to play, so they knew about f2p way back before patch 1.3?

    thats a fucking joke and goes way against what they said they woudl be doing.

    Even if you don't count 1.3 as content.

    1.2 was released April 12th.

    April 12th to May 12th = 1 month
    May12th to June 12th = brings us to 2 months
    June 12th to July 12th = and now we are at 3 months
    July 12th to August 12th (yea smidge into the future there) = and now we are at 4 months

    So yes, saying it's been over 5 months is hyperbole. Even assuming you just made a simple and common counting mistake (people often forget zero is a number) you would have only come up with 5. Now if we assume that you just didn't remember when 1.2 came out I will recommend before making claims like you this you double check your info at http://www.swtor.com/patchnotes where you can easily check the date of any patch you wish.

  14. #454
    Quote Originally Posted by Arlee View Post
    Even if you don't count 1.3 as content.

    1.2 was released April 12th.

    April 12th to May 12th = 1 month
    May12th to June 12th = brings us to 2 months
    June 12th to July 12th = and now we are at 3 months
    July 12th to August 12th (yea smidge into the future there) = and now we are at 4 months

    So yes, saying it's been over 5 months is hyperbole. Even assuming you just made a simple and common counting mistake (people often forget zero is a number) you would have only come up with 5. Now if we assume that you just didn't remember when 1.2 came out I will recommend before making claims like you this you double check your info at http://www.swtor.com/patchnotes where you can easily check the date of any patch you wish.
    sorry got my dates wrong i throught 1.2 came in march.

    but even so, im what 5 days off 4 months not wasnt that far off. It still crap that they said in 2012 that content would be rolling out monthly and its great, and they go all silent and nothing happens.... oooh we got 1.3 which most of that patch should have been in at launch so yeah we got a what 5 boss raid? (not sure not done it) that is on par with blizzard and there content updates, thing is they can get away with it as they have 9.1 million subs and a game that has tons of stuff to do in it, and before the trolls call me a wow fanboy, im far from it, i left the game in feb last year to enjoy the beta on swtor, i only just resubbed to wow on the 1st Aug due to this game going to free to play and EA having a cash shop in it.

    IF they had not gone free to play and kept the cash shop out, i think this game over time would have made its money back, all that was needed was the dev team to listen to the players and deliver what they said they would. New Fresh content.

  15. #455
    Quote Originally Posted by Kittyvicious View Post
    If you think that a major game company decides the night before an earnings call that they are going F2P and have people photoshop some bullshit for an official public release you are insane.

    They have probably had concepts and strategies for F2P since before launch. Please open your eyes and realize that companies have to think ahead and have back up plans in order to make money. Thank god you are not the CEO of a large and publicly traded company.
    You vastly overestimate EA. In late summer of 2007 (!), EA had collected 400 (!) gamemasters for their new state of the art office in Dublin. They were being trained for Warhammer online, answered like two support questions for unrelated games per day and were mostly bored out of their mind. Till the game was finally released on September 18, 2008, quite a few of them had been fired again and all the work they ever did could have easily been done by 80 people max.

    The gaming industry is lots of impromptu decision making b/c a) there is not enough empirical data to lean on, and b) some people think it is cool to be different. Even Blizzard with one of the most powerful entertainment IPs in their hand and a licence to print money acts extremely unprofessionel at times. So far they got away with it while EA at the moment looks as if they might not.

    edit: was talking strictly about their MMO business; the Sims and Madden are strong enough to keep EA if not running, at least afloat for a long, long time
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    Quote Originally Posted by thevoicefromwithin View Post
    You vastly overestimate EA. In late summer of 2007 (!), EA had collected 400 (!) gamemasters for their new state of the art office in Dublin. They were being trained for Warhammer online, answered like two support questions for unrelated games per day and were mostly bored out of their mind. Till the game was finally released on September 18, 2008, quite a few of them had been fired again and all the work they ever did could have easily been done by 80 people max.

    The gaming industry is lots of impromptu decision making b/c a) there is not enough empirical data to lean on, and b) some people think it is cool to be different. Even Blizzard with one of the most powerful entertainment IPs in their hand and a licence to print money acts extremely unprofessionel at times. So far they got away with it while EA at the moment looks as if they might not.
    This is the nature of lots of business, but acting unprofessional doesn't translate to not trying to prevent losses. Most of the indiscretion you mention comes from the disconnect between top tier upper management and direct reports in a building. I assure you that every company launching an MMO at this point draws up a backup plan for if their sub model fails.

    As talented as people are, trains cannot be derailed overnight. The decision itself might be on a last minute whim, but that is what upper management always does. Usually the lower reports already have this stuff prepared or else they lose their jobs.

  17. #457
    Quote Originally Posted by Guntha View Post
    but even so, im what 5 days off 4 months not wasnt that far off. It still crap that they said in 2012 that content would be rolling out monthly and its great, and they go all silent and nothing happens.
    All of that is fine. You were just wondering why you were being called out for hyperbole and while saying it's been five months would have been a simple thing where hyperbole would not have been appropriate; you actually had said "More than five months" which is why Kitty was saying you were engaging in hyperbole. I use just clarifying where he was coming from on that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kittyvicious View Post
    This is the nature of lots of business, but acting unprofessional doesn't translate to not trying to prevent losses. Most of the indiscretion you mention comes from the disconnect between top tier upper management and direct reports in a building. I assure you that every company launching an MMO at this point draws up a backup plan for if their sub model fails.

    As talented as people are, trains cannot be derailed overnight. The decision itself might be on a last minute whim, but that is what upper management always does. Usually the lower reports already have this stuff prepared or else they lose their jobs.
    So if this is EA's back up plan for swtor?

    why did they not kick in with one for WAR, i mean the Warhammer IP is massive and the games workshop logo alone brings in players, just look at how well DoW has dont over the years. Yet WAR is still P2P and doesnt even have a cash shop, there has been more than enough time for them to 1- close the servers and save money 2- go free to play and put in a cash shop, making more money.

    So are you going to keep defending them like a good little fanboy or are you going remove the rosetinted glass's and see that EA is going to screw this game up, more than they have already done.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Guntha View Post
    So if this is EA's back up plan for swtor?

    why did they not kick in with one for WAR, i mean the Warhammer IP is massive and the games workshop logo alone brings in players, just look at how well DoW has dont over the years. Yet WAR is still P2P and doesnt even have a cash shop, there has been more than enough time for them to 1- close the servers and save money 2- go free to play and put in a cash shop, making more money.
    No idea, but at the time it failed F2P wasn't a proven successful strategy yet. As such, it probably wasn't any part of a backup plan. Probably is a red headed step child at this point and clearly the IP doesn't bring in anything or else it wouldn't have been so terrible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guntha View Post
    So are you going to keep defending them like a good little fanboy or are you going remove the rosetinted glass's and see that EA is going to screw this game up, more than they have already done.
    1) Going to ignore how this is attempting to be blatantly confrontational, but I would warn you these forums don't really tolerate personal attacks regarding 'fanboys' and the like.

    2) In response to EA as a whole, I am ambigous at best towards them. However, after recently seeing the hoops to jump through with the Sims 3 my fiancee was playing and after BF3 I can tell you that I hate Origin, hate the way they operate with most every other game, and generally agree that they should be voted the worst company in the world.

    Even saying that, I can tell you that I have more faith in this game from it's ancestors and current incarnation than what that last statement offers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadylol View Post
    SWTOR's endgame suffers from being too easy, though. I realize that WoW is too hard for certain players, and that makes the game unattractive, but BioWare took it too far with SWTOR, and I think that "easier is better" mentality has really hurt the game
    EV and KP are way too easy even in the hardest versions. EC beyond just needing better gear is a little more difficult. Seeing how you just stated you unsubbed in January a few days ago, you can't really comment too much on how difficult things are or aren't now.
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