Enhance Reroll Time?

[bigjohnburger]

After GC announcing that he's not planning on making any changes to enhancement after all the plea for changes - especially to searing totem and searing flames - do you guys feel the need to reroll or are you going to stick it out with the same poorly designed mechanics?

[Barky]

I'm a little annoyed by this, specifically the saying he was going to make haste a viable stat for enhancement and then just doing the piss poor flurry change which has barely done anything at all.

Additionally, should we need to increase Enhancement’s damage, it is indeed likely that we’d put that damage into their active abilities at this point.

At least this shows that as our damage is pretty low atm, abilities like SS and LL should be getting increased, as SS is hitting like a wet noodle atm when not in ascendence

But, I've stuck through my shaman through thick and thin, so I'm going to stick it out. You can't just jump ship when the going gets tough, being able to stick it out and still show that you're damn good at what you do regardless of issues proves that you're a REAL shaman player.

[Ytnim]

Logs like this are great for comparing to our own internal tests and modeling, especially with the logs for each power talent. In this case they line up very nicely with what we expect. Thanks. In terms of overall performance, it looks like your performance is about where we want it at 90 in that gear, modulo some fine tuning. If there are others doing significantly more than that (e.g., if there are Windwalkers doing 65k DPS in that gear in that situation), we’re likely to bring them down. Additionally, should we need to increase Enhancement’s damage, it is indeed likely that we’d put that damage into their active abilities at this point.

I am not in the beta or have really been keeping up with changes myself, but if you take the full quote, and not just the last sentence, it seems quite the opposite and that Enhance Shamans are exactly where Blizzard wants them to be.

[Barky]

Logs like this are great for comparing to our own internal tests and modeling, especially with the logs for each power talent. In this case they line up very nicely with what we expect. Thanks. In terms of overall performance, it looks like your performance is about where we want it at 90 in that gear, modulo some fine tuning. If there are others doing significantly more than that (e.g., if there are Windwalkers doing 65k DPS in that gear in that situation), we’re likely to bring them down. Additionally, should we need to increase Enhancement’s damage, it is indeed likely that we’d put that damage into their active abilities at this point.

I am not in the beta or have really been keeping up with changes myself, but if you take the full quote, and not just the last sentence, it seems quite the opposite and that Enhance Shamans are exactly where Blizzard wants them to be.

It shall be seen in the raid content when that's out though. From everything I've heard though they have said that enhancement is low atm and they knew about it.

Performance doesn't necessarily mean pure damage though, it could mean what they want to be doing the most amount of our damage in terms of percentage meaning they're still sorting out mechanics / details / playstyle.

[Emophia]

Honestly, none of the other melee look any better.

Everything seems so bland in MoP, it's like the first expansion I haven't been excited for.

[Dundebuns]

If I play MoP I will stick it out for a bit. You can normally gauge the attitude of the developers to a class in the first month or so of an expansion, and if Enhance does have some glaring holes which are either not recognised in a timely fashion or are given incredibly weak fixes I will consider going Elemental, which looks like it will be a solid caster spec.

I am not in the beta or have really been keeping up with changes myself, but if you take the full quote, and not just the last sentence, it seems quite the opposite and that Enhance Shamans are exactly where Blizzard wants them to be.

Shaman have always been where the Devs want them to be, it's just that other classes and specs are wanted to be higher than Shaman it seems! ;3 /doomsayer

[Obskure]

I'm also going to be sticking it out, been there through all the hate and trolling about Elemental being better and such in the past. I'm not about to back down now.

All these mean is Enhancement will be more of a challenge than most other classes, which it always has been, and is also the reason I rolled it in the first place. Challenge.

I for one say, bring it on.

[woopytywoop]

if Enhance does have some glaring holes which are either not recognised in a timely fashion

Like the scaling during T11? (with only weapon option on last boss) --> band aid fix after 6months
Like getting purge nerfed and not getting MW procs on shields while spamming purge and oom'ing? --> 6months
Like having no dps cd and the only raid wide you have barely doing anything for you? --> 18 months and still counting
Haste scaling being even worse than for arms?
AoE? 12months, but multidot made me loads of gold during first months of FL
searing totem? not even going to try

Sure we'll get fixed. In timely fashion... I have my doubts...

EDIT: I'm sitting it out. But I have a lot of classes at 85 (7 in total) so if something appears to be more fun, I reroll. But after maining shaman for 3 years, I started to believe shaman are indeed the red headed orphan. When we have something OP, it can't get nerfed fast enough, when we lack something, it takes soo long to even get recognized by devs.

[Emophia]

All these mean is Enhancement will be more of a challenge than most other classes, which it always has been, and is also the reason I rolled it in the first place. Challenge.

Are you joking?

Enhc has been one of the simplest melee specs to play in single target since the start of Cata (outside parts of 4.2 spell power weapons where we hardcasted LvB and tab flame shocking fire novas earlier) and it's not changing in MoP going by beta.

[Fudge]

Are you joking?

Enhc has been one of the simplest melee specs to play in single target since the start of Cata (outside parts of 4.2 spell power weapons where we hardcasted LvB and tab flame shocking fire novas earlier) and it's not changing in MoP going by beta.

Lol, hardly. Rogue has by far the most simple rotation, followed by DKs, and warriors. Paladins fall somewhere after those guys, then shaman, then druids.

[Obskure]

Are you joking?

Enhc has been one of the simplest melee specs to play in single target since the start of Cata (outside parts of 4.2 spell power weapons where we hardcasted LvB and tab flame shocking fire novas earlier) and it's not changing in MoP going by beta.

I see, at which point did I say specifically "since the start of Cata" or "single target" ?

I'm talking in a general overview, with the game as simplified as it is, Enhance maintains some fun factor, unlike most of the other classes. The fact that, as Enhancement I have to go through a priority/rotation of buttons just to stay on the same level as an Arcane mage.. Hitting 1-2 buttons for the duration of the fight.. That's the challenge I was on about. Besides, I'm not just talking Cata.. Take BC and WotLK, are you going to tell me Enh is one of the simplest specs to play again?

I'm just not sure you got the point of what I was trying to say, that's all.

[Teriz]

I'm thinking of rerolling to the monk class personally. That isn't because of Enhancement lacking, but because I initially rolled an Enhancement Shaman because it was similar to a monk class.

With that said, I'm not passing judgement until I actually play MoP Enhancement on live.

[Lagwin]

Not surprising really...they did the same with cata.
Have they even fixed the infinite ascendance bug yet? where you can pop ghost wolf to keep it going?

[Emophia]

Lol, hardly. Rogue has by far the most simple rotation, followed by DKs, and warriors. Paladins fall somewhere after those guys, then shaman, then druids.

Have you even played any of the specs you listed?

Combat (argueably, they still have more to manage than us) as well as fury warriors I'll give you. But frost DKs, Mut rogues, sub rogues unholy dks arms warriors, rets, ferals all take more thought and skill to play than an enhc shaman.

This isn't WoTLK anymore, we have one of the simplest most braindead, static, playstyles in the game out of every melee.

I see, at which point did I say specifically "since the start of Cata" or "single target" ?

I'm talking in a general overview, with the game as simplified as it is, Enhance maintains some fun factor, unlike most of the other classes. The fact that, as Enhancement I have to go through a priority/rotation of buttons just to stay on the same level as an Arcane mage.. Hitting 1-2 buttons for the duration of the fight.. That's the challenge I was on about. Besides, I'm not just talking Cata.. Take BC and WotLK, are you going to tell me Enh is one of the simplest specs to play again?

I'm just not sure you got the point of what I was trying to say, that's all.

Oh please, the only thing that took any thought in TBC was totem twisting, which was very easy and very boring.

WOTLK yes we in a good fun place as far as our gameplay went, even if it was one of the most complex ones for one of the lowest DPS in ICC and stuff but atleast it was fun.

And yes we are one of the simplest specs in the game right now.

We are basically WOTLK rets + low prio Maelstorm weapon.

You know one of the most brain dead specs from WoTLK? Even then I think ICC ret with the T10 2piece probably took more thought to play than current enhc.

I want some spice added.

You say arcane mage.

Atleast arcane mages have to manage their mana. What do we have to manage? Nothing, because MWstacks are worth eff all because LB is so low on our Prio, if it was top like they were in WOTLK we would have a much more dynamic and exciting playstyle. But at this point we take less thought to play than an Arcane mage.

How sad is that?

That said every other melee spec is either being dumbed down, or not being changed at all in MoP as well, it's like they're trying to make the game boring, monks are a wait and see.

[Satori]

Subtetly rogue's rotation is probably the best (subjective term) rotation ever implemented in this game. I personally don't like enh's which is way I don't think I'll main it in MoP, but definetly mess with it on the side since shamans are one of the most awesome classes.

[Alayea]

My very first character was a shaman, and after nearly six years I'm still playing her as my main. I think that shows a lot of love right there.

Not surprising really...they did the same with cata.
Have they even fixed the infinite ascendance bug yet? where you can pop ghost wolf to keep it going?

To my knowledge, they did fix it.

[Fudge]

My very first character was a shaman, and after nearly six years I'm still playing her as my main. I think that shows a lot of love right there.
To my knowledge, they did fix it.

You are correct.

I've loved my shaman since it started as a Draenei in BC through his awesome goblin self in Cata. I just can't pull myself away from my druid main (or DK alt that I play more than my shaman). Something about the ability to tank (BC shaman tanking was AWESOME I miss it) outweighs my desire to have a char that can only dps or heal. Shaman rotation is very fun, imo. Not difficult, but there's a lot of nuances to it that separate the good from the bad. More than likely I'll be going monk come MoP since they seem to incorporate a lot of good things from each melee class.

[Teriz]

You are correct.

I've loved my shaman since it started as a Draenei in BC through his awesome goblin self in Cata. I just can't pull myself away from my druid main (or DK alt that I play more than my shaman). Something about the ability to tank (BC shaman tanking was AWESOME I miss it) outweighs my desire to have a char that can only dps or heal. Shaman rotation is very fun, imo. Not difficult, but there's a lot of nuances to it that separate the good from the bad. More than likely I'll be going monk come MoP since they seem to incorporate a lot of good things from each melee class.

Yeah, the Monk class seems to incorporate the dreams of many Enhancement players; 2H, tanking, melee healing, totems that don't die, Feral Spirit for all specs, etc. If Enhance comes out lackluster in MoP, I wouldn't be surprised if most reroll to the new class.

[Darleth]

Guess if Enhancement isn't getting any better then it is right now, i'm either going Ele or i'm rerolling monk. It would make me quite sad to let my Shaman die just because Blizzard thinks we're fine, even though we're not.

Not surprising really...they did the same with cata.
Have they even fixed the infinite ascendance bug yet? where you can pop ghost wolf to keep it going?

This has been fixed almost a week ago.

[Smashfist]

As a ret paladin of 5+ years I feel your pain. I'm rerolling Monk, who doesn't want to roll around and kick shit in the face