Ridiculous self healing in MoP

[Illana]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOCrS...&feature=g-u-u

really blizzard, did you learn nothing from cata?

[Resplendent]

Wow. That's insane. So basically everyone else is screwed. The monks are pretty messed up too with that. My friend just solos all of the mobs he needs to kill for questing in one go because of the Chi Orb. I don't even do anything.

[Alvito]

That guy spins crap all the time. Just watch some of the video what he is saying doesn't match up to what is actually happening. Heals might be over powered atm, but they will address that one way or another. Pvp seasons don't start right away so and we have a month until live as it is.

[Illana]

That guy spins crap all the time. Just watch some of the video what he is saying doesn't match up to what is actually happening. Heals might be over powered atm, but they will address that one way or another. Pvp seasons don't start right away so and we have a month until live as it is.

which parts dont match up?

I don't mind you bad-mouthing but at least back up what you say.

[Uricidea]

Illana, sitting on the Forums crying that you have to work to win a Duel helps no one. 1v1 balance was abandoned ages ago. It is just Rock-Paper-Scissors.

As for the Healing, when a Hybrid class just stands and heals, you are not at risk. It makes sense then that you are fighting their Mana Pool, not the class. Let's see how OP they are when that Hunter learns to interrupt, and the opponent has to run to get in range, use damage dealing abilities and the like. I see no issue, especially when you take into account the staged aspect of the video. (Plus Warriors are arguably not a hybrid class with true Heals anyway).

On a personal note: Illana, you should try looking at things from a more positive attitude. I can't see how you could enjoy any MMO, or any other social en devour, with the negative attitude you present here, on the Forums.

[Arrowset]

Illana, sitting on the Forums crying that you have to work to win a Duel helps no one. 1v1 balance was abandoned ages ago.

Give me a break. Have you overlooked the fact that word of glory, flash heal, healing surge, etc can be cast on ARENA PARTNERS as well?

[leaks]

The shaman was burning mana like crazy and would have been out completely in seconds if they were actually attacking. Then he beats a warrior in a duel while bitching about how unkillable they are... I'm sure there was more but I could only make it to his third example before it became obvious he's an idiot.

[Uricidea]

Give me a break. Have you overlooked the fact that word of glory, flash heal, healing surge, etc can be cast on ARENA PARTNERS as well?

No, but then if the Hybrid has a team, so does the Hunter. It seems fixed to me.

[Illana]

Give me a break. Have you overlooked the fact that word of glory, flash heal, healing surge, etc can be cast on ARENA PARTNERS as well?

this guy gets it

[Noviskers]

How is this any different than a rogue who keeps up recup in full pvp gear, or a blood DK (especially now with their new healing tier of talents), or pretty much any other class except a hunter? What I see with this is more of a way for hybrids being able to come up to par a bit more with the other classes since they were all but stripped of their healing utility in cata.

Edit: Its also clear that he doesn't really understand the classes he is playing against as well, seeing as he doesn't use and interupt and think that shamans have both a damage reduction and absorb. New changes to each class means that new strategies are required to beat classes, this isn't anything new. Not to mention as other people have stated, a lot of these classes are mana based classes and were running out of mana, notice how he didn't show you them when they were oom?

[Illana]

The shaman was burning mana like crazy and would have been out completely in seconds if they were actually attacking. Then he beats a warrior in a duel while bitching about how unkillable they are... I'm sure there was more but I could only make it to his third example before it became obvious he's an idiot.

shaman was also overhealing like crazy, he could have casted half the surges and still kept himself topped off.

he says warriors are unkillable unless you have a damage cooldown ready for when they get to 35% and he did just that

[Alvito]

which parts dont match up?

I don't mind you bad-mouthing but at least back up what you say.

In the first few seconds it goes on about the pally not hard casting anything as that is being said you can see a cast bar going off. The timing on it was just perfect really. The over statement of things as others have gone into is a bit much.

[Illana]

Illana, sitting on the Forums crying that you have to work to win a Duel helps no one. 1v1 balance was abandoned ages ago. It is just Rock-Paper-Scissors.

As for the Healing, when a Hybrid class just stands and heals, you are not at risk. It makes sense then that you are fighting their Mana Pool, not the class. Let's see how OP they are when that Hunter learns to interrupt, and the opponent has to run to get in range, use damage dealing abilities and the like. I see no issue, especially when you take into account the staged aspect of the video. (Plus Warriors are arguably not a hybrid class with true Heals anyway).

On a personal note: Illana, you should try looking at things from a more positive attitude. I can't see how you could enjoy any MMO, or any other social en devour, with the negative attitude you present here, on the Forums.

not really sure why you're going for personal attacks, I don't know you and I'm not talking about 1vs1. Neither is zumio.

The big picture, which you happened to miss gloriously, is that these heals can be cast on OTHER players as pointed out by someone far smarter than yourself a few posts down.

Imagine how arena will be if the teams consisted of a healer and 2 hybrids in their current state: it would be like double ret/healer on live but the rets replaced with classes with a lot more utility.

I'm not currently enjoying wow since it's very boring, im filling my time playing eve online which i can say is an infinitely more compelling and complex game. I just wish they would do a good job with mop so I have a reason to play wow again since i have friends who play this game.

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In the first few seconds it goes on about the pally not hard casting anything as that is being said you can see a cast bar going off. The timing on it was just perfect really. The over statement of things as others have gone into is a bit much.

did you not notice the entire time the ret was taking damage he wasn't casting and only casted flash at the end just to mock his damage even more?

it's not really overstated, hybrids really can crit for over half their hp with heals: something needs to be done.

[Noviskers]

You are also missing a huge piece of that "big picture", you will have teammates to help you burn them down, and if these hybrids are helping heal through your burn then that means that most of them (if not all) are not putting out any damage. Another huge thing that was missed in this video is that he A) Did not have Widow Venom on any of the targets (could've missed it or it could've been removed but I don't remember seeing it at all) and B) he did not use a single interrupt.

[Deleted]

Those casters run oom fast from self healing. The Warriors self healing wasn't too bad. The only issue I see is Ret Paladins with no cooldown for WoG/EF BUT he didn't Tranq shot anything in these videos which would of helped alot against that Ret using Eternal Flame. Also didn't notice but I'm sure he didn't use Widow Venom, and he certainly didn't do much to interrupt the healing.

[Iggies]

I'd question whether this was taken before or after the most recent change to PVP Power that lowered healing by 50%, first of all. Secondly, as someone stated in the youtube comments (and is as famous a saying as any in WoW): Game isn't balanced around 1v1.

I'm not saying that things shouldn't or won't change based on one, limited perspective video, but so what if a hunter can't kill another dps class that is doing nothing but healing. Guess what: he's not going to die either if that's all they are doing. If his point is that they can get to full health while also doing damage to him/his class, and that it makes it impossible for hunters to kill certain classes that's fine. But that does not definitively mean that the classes shown in his video are OP. Maybe they are. Maybe their healing at level 90 is outrageous, and a further nerf to the healing side of pvp power will have to happen, but what this video shows isn't that some classes/specs are OP...it just shows one hunter trying to kill one person that is doing nothing but healing. That's all. Nothing more.

I've seen plenty of other videos where boomkins, shadow priests and (especially) ele shaman get blown the hell up by two dps classes in 2v2 and 3v3 arena matches -- and these videos are before the 50% pvp power nerf. Hotted, for example, who is one of the more popular and good balance druids out there has a bunch of videos of lvl 90 arena where he gets blown up, despite having "op healing."

I mean in what possible 3v3 match is a balance druid, ele shaman or shadow priest going to be allowed to free cast heals on themselves or their teammates? And if a ret paladin's instant-cast, WoG-replacement HoT (Eternal Flame) is too op...well, last time I checked it was dispellable by offensive dispel classes making the whole thing moot.

Again, it probably should stand to reason that the classes/specs shown in the video could use a healing nerf, and that healers in general at level 90 are far too OP due to benefiting from PVP Power; but it's really in poor judgement to look at a video like this and make any kind of argument, as it is too small a sampling/data sample for doing so.

The guy who made this video is a decent hunter in PVP from what I've seen...but how can you just say "I pumped all my dps cooldowns and couldn't beat their healing" when it looked like ALL he was doing was DPS. Meaning there were no interrupts, no stuns, no silences, no counterspells, no melee pounding on them forcing them to move and not stand in place healing, no necrotic strike, etc, etc. The game isn't 1v1 compatible, and I don't think it should be.

Finally, as pointed out by GC in a recent post regarding PVP, it really is quite annoying that in pvp threads people almost always seem to be asking for nerds to other classes rather than buffs to their own. Why not make a video saying "hunters can't 1v1 anyone, so please buff their damage/MS effect/CC ability, etc."? I'd watch that video and be more inclined to agree with him in that case.

[Deleted]

I would agree on Ret self healing since its close to ridiculousness and I play Ret .... Would be fun to watch Vanguards team comp & Rating for the first season in MoP lol

[leaks]

shaman was also overhealing like crazy, he could have casted half the surges and still kept himself topped off.

he says warriors are unkillable unless you have a damage cooldown ready for when they get to 35% and he did just that

Even if that shaman wasn't spamming it they would have run out pretty quick because last time I checked you can't kill your opponent by healing yourself. So at some point he would have to do something else. The video also claims he full healed from a single cast yet it clearly takes the shaman 2 casts to get to full from half
HP.
And the warrior, He bitches that the warrior is unkillable while killing it and never dropping below 80% himself.... yet I don't see hunters on his list for absurd self healing.

[Deleted]

The shaman was burning mana like crazy and would have been out completely in seconds if they were actually attacking. Then he beats a warrior in a duel while bitching about how unkillable they are... I'm sure there was more but I could only make it to his third example before it became obvious he's an idiot.

Haha indeed that was priceless. He's nuking guys who are spending every single GCD doing nothing but healing themselves and popping defensive CDs and they're going OOM in under a minute, and somehow that's a problem. Then he's completely destroying a Warrior who can't even scratch the Hunter and whining how a HoT at 35% is unbearable and should be removed so that the Hunter can do a flawless 100-0 every time. This Hunter who made this video is just another baddie with an agenda.

I could make a three hours long movie about how there's absolutely nothing balanced in the MoP Hunter design, it's essentially a melee class with a 40 yard range, completely overpowered by its very foundations, but if that's fine by Blizzard I can live with it. I don't go crying and screaming for attention like this kid here.

[XingoJenkins]

You're not playing and still complaining about a game that you won't play?

@topic: I'll wait till release to argue about it.