DK is OP!

[Yoshimiko]

http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=222775

That's a DK...soloing all of ICC25(minus those 2 pesky bosses) with 7 heroic kills~...at level 80. wat.

Just saw it, thought more peoples need to see it!

Edited out an error.

[blackblade]

http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=222775

That's a DK...soloing all of Heroic ICC25(minus those 2 pesky bosses)...at level 80. wat.

Just saw it, thought more peoples need to see it!

Have you not seen the Ilvl 409 twink items from MoP?

Level 80s. With Heroic Deathwing equivalent weapons, think about that. Massive +ratings, great DPS, level 80.


His armory has him at 80% parry, 20% dodge. rofl.

[Yoshimiko]

Have you not seen the Ilvl 409 twink items from MoP?

Level 80s. With Heroic Deathwing equivalent weapons, think about that. Massive +ratings, great DPS, level 80.

True as that may be, There's a reason only a DK has done it. No other class could kill heroic LK25 at level 80 - hell I doubt any could do it at level 90 atm.

[Kuthe]

So because they can self heal, they are OP?
Okey. Cool.

[Hunterpower]

o_o and this is why vengeance needs a change lol

[elderamy]

That's a DK...soloing all of Heroic ICC25(minus those 2 pesky bosses)...at level 80. wat.

open video and: 80 DK solo : Icecrown citadel 25 10/12 (7 on heroic)

GG

---------- Post added 2012-10-29 at 11:36 PM ----------

o_o and this is why vengeance needs a change lol

still loosing in dps to tanks? lol

[Yoshimiko]

open video and: 80 DK solo : Icecrown citadel 25 10/12 (7 on heroic)

GG

---------- Post added 2012-10-29 at 11:36 PM ----------


still loosing in dps to tanks? lol

Monk tank here. No one beats me in dps. Ever. Vengeance needs to be changed. :P

And aww, I did miss that. Still, crazy.

[Draknalor186]

death knight will always be the "solo" class, =)) tell him congratz and move on =P no need to be jealous or something because u cant do it with your class

[Deleted]

It's not really that DKs are OP, it's just stupid that gear that is equivalent to dragon sould heroic item level is equippable at level 80 so that people can reach near invulnerability due to dodge/parry/mastery scaling up to insane levels. A level 85 or even level 90 DK would not be able to do all the things that can be done at level 80. Because of that gear.
The other stupid desicion which is fully shown in this video is that vengeance had the cap removed, even if new encounters are designed with this in mind it limits the type of mechanics you can have in a fight and we've already seen examples of tanks stacking CDs to survive "one-shot" mechanics and reach unintended levels of DPS thanks to that.

[elderamy]

Monk tank here. No one beats me in dps. Ever. Vengeance needs to be changed. :P

And aww, I did miss that. Still, crazy.

Id like to see a parse of your raids then... your guild dps must be reallllllllly bad...

---------- Post added 2012-10-29 at 11:40 PM ----------

and why does it even matter if tanks or whatever class can solo raids from 2 expansions ago?... GG

[Yoshimiko]

Id like to see a parse of your raids then... your guild dps must be reallllllllly bad...

I can pop wol up for our next raid.

On stone guards I'm usually between 70-90k dps, second dps is usually under me by 2-3k(rogue), and everyone else is between 60-70k dps. Feng I'm riding around 80k dps generally, Troll guy is a terrible test of dps - but thanks to being able to use Touch of Death on CD I'm usually around 65-75k dps.. Spirit kings I was around 60k dps this week, We're stuck on Elegon, so not a very accurate test of dps - we rarely survive to phase 3(pillar phase)..but I'm usually around ~100k-115kish.

My groups not amazing, but they're not bad. Tank dps is still pretty damn high. I outgear my entire raid group by roughly (on average) ~8-11 ilvls though. I'm at 485, they're all between 470-475, minus 1 person - who's at 478 thanks to galleon and Sha being nice to him.

[blackblade]

There was a thread about an 80 mage doing ulduar last week or so.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...lo-Ulduar-9-13


Really, if a mage can do it, just about anyone with a semblance of a self heal can do it. (Mages being the one class who doesn't have a self heal.)

[Deleted]

Id like to see a parse of your raids then... your guild dps must be reallllllllly bad...

---------- Post added 2012-10-29 at 11:40 PM ----------

and why does it even matter if tanks or whatever class can solo raids from 2 expansions ago?... GG

Looking at top WoL parses tanks are holding the top dps spot on every fight that does not buff DPS above normal levels, both on 10 heroic and 25 heroic. The only time DPS classes are currently better is on the fights where DPS is buffed above normal levels but vengeance is not. Looks like it's just your tanks that are bad

[Shiira]

But mages do have a self heal.

[Mystile]

(Mages being the one class who doesn't have a self heal.)

Mages can most definitely self heal >.> 80 mage much less than a 90, but they are still very capable of healing.

[connor778]

http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=222775

That's a DK...soloing all of ICC25(minus those 2 pesky bosses) with 7 heroic kills~...at level 80. wat.

Just saw it, thought more peoples need to see it!

Edited out an error.

you're a little late, believe it or not DKs have been soloing things since the class came out. the ability to heal and absorb is to DK as stealthing is to a rogue. Its not OP, its working as intended.

and since when is being able to kill outdated irrelevant bosses considered OP? thats like saying prot Paladins are OP because they wreck the meters at level 20ish...

[elderamy]

Looking at top WoL parses tanks are holding the top dps spot on every fight that does not buff DPS above normal levels, both on 10 heroic and 25 heroic. The only time DPS classes are currently better is on the fights where DPS is buffed above normal levels but vengeance is not. Looks like it's just your tanks that are bad

well first he is clearly not doing HCs... HCs do a lot of damage so vengeance goes a little crazy...
For normals I higly doubt it... most of the cases the fights provide tanks stuff to improve their damage... not the other way around...

In any case Id like to see his parses... since noone beats him in dps. Ever

[Kaosbringer]

and since when is being able to kill outdated irrelevant bosses considered OP? thats like saying prot Paladins are OP because they wreck the meters at level 20ish...

^This. Now if it was, lets say a 463 Ilvl DK soloing MSV on heroic then there would be some need to change things.

[connor778]

well first he is clearly not doing HCs... HCs do a lot of damage so vengeance goes a little crazy...
For normals I higly doubt it... most of the cases the fights provide tanks stuff to improve their damage... not the other way around...

In any case Id like to see his parses... since noone beats him in dps. Ever

25 heroic raider here, our druid tank is usually in the top 5 dps. i can confirm that on most fights they can and will perform better than most dps, unless the gear is in the dps' favor and the tank is less geared. but our tank is a druid, and we have no rogues or other druids, so when shit drops its his.

---------- Post added 2012-10-29 at 08:09 PM ----------

^This. Now if it was, lets say a 463 Ilvl DK soloing MSV on heroic then there would be some need to change things.

EXACTLY my point. pretty sure there has never been a DK nerf for the sole purpose of lowering solo ability. some people like it, and its not an actual thing that they can keep track of, like the current raids. so they dont do anything, unless it conflicts with current content.

for example, If death strike was healing too much, causing a problem with DKs in the current content, making them superior to other tanks on most fights, causing everyone to start stacking blood DKs in their raids because it made it so much easier. It would get nerfed.
But if deathstrike heals the perfect amount in current raids/pvp , but back in old raids it heals for so much because everything is scaled higher, causing the DMG done to be ALOT less than the amount you can heal, making it easy to kill raid bosses in other raids, blizz wouldnt do anything about it.

well, im not revising that, too lazy..

[Splosion]

True as that may be, There's a reason only a DK has done it. No other class could kill heroic LK25 at level 80 - hell I doubt any could do it at level 90 atm.

Oh really?