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  1. #141
    I still really enjoy the game. Mostly as I dont power through content. But try and enjoy it

  2. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by anyaka21 View Post
    Completely irrelevant statement. 75-80% is pretty much the standard for people trying out mmo's and leaving. Even WoW confirms this, they just have a higher number of players and have contracts in other regions that pay different amounts and as thus can pad their sub numbers above others.
    No it isn't, apart for failed MMO's for which it might be standard. And WoW does not confirm this at all, again quite the opposite. And why are you trying to spin asians using a different method to pay for their game time and pay less than western subscribers, as them not counting as an actual paying player? Because they do in fact, just like anyone have, have to pay for their game time. That's not "padding" by calling an actually paying player what it is. Does american players not count either then? Because they pay less than the european ones do so clearly it's padding the numbers by calling those filthy cheapskates actual subscribers because they don't pay as much.

    80% left because of the games shortcomings, shortcomings which the fanboys claimed never existed as well as grand claims of how everyone but that specific poster was perfectly happy with the game, turns out they were wrong and the disappointment and lack of improvement drove players away.

  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by Zokonorb View Post
    No it isn't, apart for failed MMO's for which it might be standard. And WoW does not confirm this at all, again quite the opposite. And why are you trying to spin asians using a different method to pay for their game time and pay less than western subscribers, as them not counting as an actual paying player? Because they do in fact, just like anyone have, have to pay for their game time. That's not "padding" by calling an actually paying player what it is. Does american players not count either then? Because they pay less than the european ones do so clearly it's padding the numbers by calling those filthy cheapskates actual subscribers because they don't pay as much.

    80% left because of the games shortcomings, shortcomings which the fanboys claimed never existed as well as grand claims of how everyone but that specific poster was perfectly happy with the game, turns out they were wrong and the disappointment and lack of improvement drove players away.
    While I agree that the guy isn't correct in he's statement, Chinese WoW players pay a fraction of what EU/NA players pay and as they do it hourly with time cards that are valid for 6 months so it's not comparable nor is it incorrect to call them padding numbers what talking subscribers.
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  4. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    While I agree that the guy isn't correct in he's statement, Chinese WoW players pay a fraction of what EU/NA players pay and as they do it hourly with time cards that are valid for 6 months so it's not comparable nor is it incorrect to call them padding numbers what talking subscribers.
    All numbers show SWTOR beeing very low compared to at launch - even first numbers on xfire show very low inital rush for SWTOR. Xfire usually gets the trends pretty well on whats going on withing MMOs.

  5. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by duster2 View Post
    All numbers show SWTOR beeing very low compared to at launch - even first numbers on xfire show very low inital rush for SWTOR. Xfire usually gets the trends pretty well on whats going on withing MMOs.
    Swtor is at 500kish by most accounts.

    WoW has about 3 to 4 million subscribers and another 6 million in pph.
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  6. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by hk-51 View Post
    Swtor is at 500kish by most accounts.

    WoW has about 3 to 4 million subscribers and another 6 million in pph.
    Why is it hard to do a 4M+6M and conclude that there are 10M paying subs on WoW regardless of the different paying methods? Asians are still people right?

    When Bioware gave free time to unsubbed/ cancelled accounts saying that " We love you guys! Here have some free game time!" and counted them as overall subs there wasnt a "SWToR has 3k to 4k subs and another 1M of free game time subs".

    Seriously what is so wrong about the 10M sub mark and why does it bother you so much?
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  7. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by Letsbefair View Post
    Why is it hard to do a 4M+6M and conclude that there are 10M paying subs on WoW regardless of the different paying methods? Asians are still people right?

    When Bioware gave free time to unsubbed/ cancelled accounts saying that " We love you guys! Here have some free game time!" and counted them as overall subs there wasnt a "SWToR has 3k to 4k subs and another 1M of free game time subs".

    Seriously what is so wrong about the 10M sub mark and why does it bother you so much?
    because 6 million aren't paying subscriptions and thus aren't subscribers?
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  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by hk-51 View Post
    because 6 million aren't paying subscriptions and thus aren't subscribers?
    And the people that were given free game time on an unsubbed/cancelled account are subscribers? It sure didnt stoped BW counting them as subs.

    The asian paying method is still a ...paying method as in money is being used to keep an account active and ready to play.
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    Although i havent played it, there is I believe enough info to form a valid opinion.
    To give my opinion on the new WOW xpac..... Ive played enough wow to know MOP is a complete disaster..... I visualized playing it in my head and it was bad.

  9. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by Letsbefair View Post
    And the people that were given free game time on an unsubbed/cancelled account are subscribers? It sure didnt stoped BW counting them as subs.

    The asian paying method is still a ...paying method as in money is being used to keep an account active and ready to play.
    I didn't say it was right/wrong of BW to do that.

    I just explained to you why calling 6 million PPH players subscribers is wrong.
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  10. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by Letsbefair View Post
    And the people that were given free game time on an unsubbed/cancelled account are subscribers? It sure didnt stoped BW counting them as subs.
    No one gave them a pass for that, at least not anyone with a level head.

    Quote Originally Posted by Letsbefair View Post
    The asian paying method is still a ...paying method as in money is being used to keep an account active and ready to play.
    Well the Chinese player buys a time card with 60 hours if I recall correctly, for this he pays about half of what you pay for a month of WoW, he then proceeds to use 1 minute of he's time and logs off to never play again. In this scenario Blizzard counts him as a "subscriber" for the full 6 months the time card is active.

    You see why it's so different it's not valid to use in comparison to games with western customers paying $15 a month. For a valid comparison WoW has somewhere 3,5-4,5 million western subscribers, still lightyears ahead of any competition but far from the advertised 10 million.
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  11. #151
    It would be if swtor called all their preferred players subscribers.
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  12. #152
    Oh look, this argument again. Because it's totally relevant to SWTOR and the current discussion (it's not).

  13. #153
    Quote Originally Posted by edgecrusherO0 View Post
    Oh look, this argument again. Because it's totally relevant to SWTOR and the current discussion (it's not).
    So what so you suggest? That we sit idle by while some one totally perpetuates the illusion that WoW has 10 million monthly subscribers, that you go and edit out blatant misinformation or just perhaps that we go where the discussion takes us, in this case to this very old argument, relevant to SWTOR or not.
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  14. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    So what so you suggest? That we sit idle by while some one totally perpetuates the illusion that WoW has 10 million monthly subscribers, that you go and edit out blatant misinformation or just perhaps that we go where the discussion takes us, in this case to this very old argument, relevant to SWTOR or not.
    NO, you report and move on.

  15. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by Greevir View Post
    NO, you report and move on.
    I have never seen someone infracted for spreading false information about WoW subscription numbers. The fact that a moderator responded to this without infracting that guy means that its not going to happen.
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  16. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by hk-51 View Post
    I have never seen someone infracted for spreading false information about WoW subscription numbers. The fact that a moderator responded to this without infracting that guy means that its not going to happen.
    Spreading false information? Wth ... it is Blizzard that anounced +10M Subscribers across all regions and we all know their definition of subscriber.

    You are the one spreading false information and asking everyone that reads this forums to believe on a random guy like you over a legaly bound company like Blizzard.

    Anyway believe in whatever u want and what makes u feel good.
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    To give my opinion on the new WOW xpac..... Ive played enough wow to know MOP is a complete disaster..... I visualized playing it in my head and it was bad.

  17. #157
    Quote Originally Posted by Letsbefair View Post
    Spreading false information? Wth ... it is Blizzard that anounced +10M Subscribers across all regions and we all know their definition of subscriber.

    You are the one spreading false information and asking everyone that reads this forums to believe on a random guy like you over a legaly bound company like Blizzard.
    Anyway believe in whatever u want and what makes u feel good.
    Pay per hour is not a subscription. You need to pay a subscription to be a subscriber. They do not have 10 million subscribers. Period.
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    I couldn't help but notice that i could hardly even begin to understand almost anything that was said in their statement, they sounded more off topic than G.W.B. plus their arrogance was astounding
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  19. #159
    Well this one totally derailed into pointlessness...

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