My brother reduced his tenant's rent and made her sleep with him as compensation.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

Knee jerk emotional responses are relatively common. When I heard about the WBC planned protests I had plenty of thoughts in the back of my head, but then I cooled off. It's not a big deal if you don't react them. And it's hardly difficult to imagine where rapist is coming from.


It's called abusing a position of power. Just because he isn't holding a gun to her head doesn't mean its ok.
And you're kidding yourself if you think nothing negative would happen if she said no. When someone declines to sleep with the boss for a promotion, they tend to get kicked down a peg unless the boss gets in trouble.

So now its okay to chant rapist because you made a knee jerk reaction?

According to the post, we can not assume the landlord is already violent, vengeful enough to kick her out on denial, or harm her or anything else. Just like we don't know if she was already a prostitute, and him learning about it made him think of the offer. We don't know those things, so forming opinions or judgements on things we don't know is wrong, unfair, and totally destroys your credibility.

'But, he kind of looks like a bad guy"................ seriously?

[Stuffs]

So now its okay to chant rapist because you made a knee jerk reaction?

We're on an internet forum. Not holding picket signs. Lets keep it in perspective here.
It's a lot easier to say you're going to fly down there and beat the WBC up on an internet forum, then actually do it. Because then perspective kicks in when you're making plans, you cool off, blah blah.

According to the post, we can not assume the landlord is already violent, vengeful enough to kick her out on denial, or harm her or anything else.

And you are extremely naive if you think a boss won't knock someone down for refusing them.

Just like we don't know if she was already a prostitute, and him learning about it made him think of the offer. We don't know those things, so forming opinions or judgements on things we don't know is wrong, unfair, and totally destroys your credibility.

Actually we can, because he later posted she has a low paying job

She isn't making alot of money. She works as a Food Service Aid at a retirement home and makes $11 an hour.

Now we know what she does, and it isnt selling her body.

'But, he kind of looks like a bad guy"................ seriously?

No one said anything like that bub.

[Xzan]

Words...

First off, nice post.
I think the quality of Semaphore's posting has been already understood by those paying a little attention. Thre guy just loves being right. But right in the sense that he establishes what is right and then proceeds to back it up with 'something' all the while completely neglecting any argument that doesn't fit into his truth.

The phase of his posting in this thread where he called OP's brother a rapist was just one proof that his exaggeration does not have limits if it backs up his opinion.

It's ok to have different opinions, but for god's sake do not back them up with exaggeration, empty assumptions (non-existant coercion) and gibberish like "unequal power"...

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[Stuffs]

Doesn't this thread eventually just boil down to: Is it acceptable for a person in a position of power to offer compensation for sex?

I suppose so. The specific situations vary as to just how botched it is, but its a fairly accurate assessment I guess.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

We're on an internet forum. Not holding picket signs. Lets keep it in perspective here.
It's a lot easier to say you're going to fly down there and beat the WBC up on an internet forum, then actually do it. Because then perspective kicks in when you're making plans, you cool off, blah blah.


And you are extremely naive if you think a boss won't knock someone down for refusing them.



Actually we can, because he later posted she has a low paying job


Now we know what she does, and it isnt selling her body.


No one said anything like that bub.

See, this post is a third person perspective. Its not given if she has two jobs, and how would the brother KNOW that she had never been a hooker in her life? Low paying means what again? Its also stated she paid X amount of money, for Y amount of time, and never stated she wasn't able to pay that month.

No, its not naivety, its more you being overly cynical. Assuming that all bosses would demote you for denying them is wrong, just like assuming he would kick her out is. "Assuming makes an ass out of you, and an ass out of me" there is a reason for that expression. If you assume things, it causes problems. That is why, to make an objective, fair and unbiased opinion or judgement of this, you can just go assuming all willy nilly. Just like some other posters did, you could assume and spin this post off as the woman taking advantage of him, and thats just not fair either.

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Doesn't this thread eventually just boil down to: Is it acceptable for a person in a position of power to offer compensation for sex?

See I wish that was the question, but its more about, is prostitution rape.....

They probably have blanket laws against it for a reason, so you won't have so many grey areas of whether or not it was forced etc.

[FrenchieKDC]

I wasn't there when he asked her this but from what my brother told me, she was very reluctant. She's a very sweet young girl who doesn't approach sex casually. Eventually she agreed to doing this because of her financial difficulties.... I noticed that recently, she has been feeling very uncomfortable around my brother. Whenever they are in the same room, she doesn't look at him and appears very nervous and awkward.

For those who are admittedly missing information that was clearly posted in the OP. I hope I do not have to elaborate too much on each highlighted point. She was very reluctant and approaches sex seriously. This is clearly something she didn't feel right with, but felt she had to because of her financial difficulties. By herself, I am sure she wouldn't take the brother's offer -- however -- she is also taking care of her brother after their parents dying. Furthermore, her mental state and personality is clearly taking a hit.

If you still have to question whether this is completely consensual (I.E. without duress, etc), then I really question what world I live in. Now -- something to take into considering is that these are hearsay and observations made by the OP. But given what we are presented and what the OP has said his brother told him, it seems to be clear-cut.

Low paying means what again? Its also stated she paid X amount of money, for Y amount of time, and never stated she wasn't able to pay that month.

I would say that it was hard for her to keep paying, otherwise the brother wouldn't offer and she wouldn't had taken it.

[Stuffs]

See, this post is a third person perspective. Its not given if she has two jobs, and how would the brother KNOW that she had never been a hooker in her life? Low paying means what again? Its also stated she paid X amount of money, for Y amount of time, and never stated she wasn't able to pay that month.

There are always options, obviously. She could go without food for a week. She could stop going to college and pause her life indefinitely.
Of course she had a choice. That doesn't mean the guys not scummy for abusing the situation.

No, its not naivety, its more you being overly cynical.

You overestimate the kind of person that offers promotions for rimjobs.

See I wish that was the question, but its more about, is prostitution rape.....

No, its pretty accurate. No one aside from a hot headed post has argued its rape. I'm definitely not.
But it is exactly a person in power offering compensation for sex, at the very least.


Anyways its time for sleep.
Feel free to keep defending obese neckbeards exploiting women.

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Since the thread title has already caused plenty of misunderstandings, I would suggest you change it to "Is it wrong to offer an escort girl a rent discount for working a weekly extra hour?"

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[Self Inflicted Wounds]

There are always options, obviously. She could go without food for a week. She could stop going to college and pause her life indefinitely.
Of course she had a choice. That doesn't mean the guys not scummy for abusing the situation.


You overestimate the kind of person that offers promotions for rimjobs.



No, its pretty accurate. No one aside from a hot headed post has argued its rape. I'm definitely not.
But it is exactly a person in power offering compensation for sex, at the very least.

Many of the main posters before you got her were arguing it to be rape (Semaphore).

I don't think I have seen many posts saying it ISN'T scummy, or immoral, or wrong in some way. Most of the discussion I have been in is whether or not he coerced her (and by extension raped her). Depending on your country, I think there are either prostitution, or landlord-tenant laws being offended, but by no means can you reasonably say its rape.

Its not that I am overestimating, I just don't think all bosses who make that offer would demote you if you decline. So its unfair to make that assumption or rule.

[FrenchieKDC]

Since the thread title has already caused plenty of misunderstandings, I would suggest you change it to "Is it wrong to offer an escort girl a rent discount for working a weekly extra hour?"

Since when was it said she was an escort? Going to the OP's posts, it was never said she was, unless I missed something. Therefore, your suggestion falls flat as it isn't the subject of the topic. And what misunderstanding? His title reflects his posts and questions. Where are people coming up with this stuff?

[Somebodyelse]

Doesn't this thread eventually just boil down to: Is it acceptable for a person in a position of power to offer compensation for sex?

Yes the thread boils down to that, and no, it is absolutely NOT acceptable.

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Who is to say she hasn't whored herself out before? Would that change things here? Would if change things if the part about her parents wasnt added? Would it changed things if she was a man, and her landlord and older woman?

So many shitty double standards, not enough facts.

This. So many times this. Can't help but feel the OP's not entirely sincere into the bargain. I mean, if they were would you 'really' be posting it here? Think about it.

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Yes the thread boils down to that, and no, it is absolutely NOT acceptable.

Because.... ?

[Xanjori]

I'm sorry, I missed the part where landlord kept insisting and pressured her. I also missed the part where she was the landlord's friend.

I wasn't there when he asked her this but from what my brother told me, she was very reluctant. She's a very sweet young girl who doesn't approach sex casually. Eventually she agreed

Anything else you failed to read and want quoted at you?

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

No, by default prostitution is not rape. However depending on the circumstances it can be, and in reality it probably is a hell of a lot more often then we would generally like to believe.

Agreed, but you could use many of the same arguments involving this case to say prostitution is rape. A creepy guy approaches you(a prostitute) and asks you for things you wouldn't like to do. But he is creepy. Is it reasonable to assume he might in fact rape you? is that fear by extension a form of coercion? No, I don't think so. Thats why I think it folly to assume that the landlord would suddenly rape, or evict her. Sure, its a shady offer, but that doesn't mean much unless he actually SAID he would boot her.

[Chirajaeden]

Also, no where in the post did it say he forced himself on her. It says he simply offered a deal, decline, then later accepted.

It irks me too, but I don't see anything that says he forced her into anything.

It differs from state to state, but I know for a fact in my state this would be deemed coercive (Just due to the fact that he is a landlord and it is illegal for him to make, let alone carry out an such an offer) If the offer were turned down this could be deemed sexual harassment, but since the arrangement has been carried out it is most definitely rape. Since the victim in this case, may potentially feel pressured to take the offer because she may feel she has no choice in the matter, i.e. if she doesn't the land lord may evict/kick her and her brother out. In the eyes of the law this is illegal and any coercion at all in regards to sex falls under the umbrella of rape.

Even if she is not physically forced to have sex with him, she is still be victimized by a sexual predator.

I just took a course on sexual violence and we covered scenarios just like this. If she wanted to she could easily press charges.

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[Self Inflicted Wounds]

It differs from state to state, but I know for a fact in my state this would be deemed coercive (Just due to the fact that he is a landlord and it is illegal for him to make, let alone carry out an such an offer) If the offer were turned down this could be deemed sexual harassment, but since the arrangement has been carried out it is most definitely rape. Since the victim in this case, may potentially feel pressured to take the offer because she may feel she has no choice in the matter, i.e. if she doesn't the land lord may evict/kick her and her brother out. In the eyes of the law this is illegal and any coercion at all in regards to sex falls under the umbrella of rape.

Even if she is not physically forced to have sex with him, she is still be victimized by a sexual predator.

I just took a course on sexual violence and we covered scenarios just like this. If she wanted to she could easily press charges.

With the given information, I just can't agree that its rape or coercion at all. Its not stated that he ever said he would kick her out upon denial, just that this was a third option:
1-go elsewhere
2-Pay X amount of rent a month
3-Pay a % of X in exchange for sexual favors

If you have taken courses, I will of course respect your knowledge over mine, (Since I have not taken any courses) but I can not agree with you or the law that he raped or coerced her with the information given. According to the OP, there were no threats, no weapons, no hints of aggression, and the OP did not supply any evidence saying he was an overly spiteful or vengeful brother, a violent brother, or if he had done this before.

[Chirajaeden]

is that fear by extension a form of coercion? No, I don't think so.

Actually fear is covered under coercion, the fear that if she were not to sleep with him she may lose her place of residence, or that if she doesn't go along with it he may just force her to have sex with him anyway. It doesn't even matter if he actually said he would or would not kick her out, the issue is he has the power to kick her out, and then he offered a deal and made a pass at her. Rape isn't just forcibly having sex with someone, it is any unwanted sexual interaction involving penetration. And from the OP's description it doesn't exactly seem like she had been wanting to jump her land-lord's bones of her own free will.