abortion wrong/right?

[Deleted]

What if your parents had decided to abort you?

I've always been a defender of the process.I found it almost natural.Thinking ''Nothing gets killed.It's just a process that is stopped.''
But lately I asked myself.''What if I had been aborted?Who would I be?''
If your parents had aborted you,your life would be nothing.You wouldn't have been who you are.You would have never existed.
It's not like you would be the next kid that your parents didn't abort.That is not your life,not your body,not you.

This made me change my mind.
During abortion,it is true that no human is getting killed.But an actual future is denied,a possible life is denied.
Is it excusable because during the abortion there's no human yet?
I think about the countless lives that have been 'aborted',who could those people have been.Who should they have been?

I think abortion is actually wrong now.A life is taken...painlessly,unconsciously but it's still taken.
Society is irresponsible.
People should take pregnancy way more seriously.Same with their sexual behavior.They should watch out,always use a condom/pill if pregnancy is not desired.
Once the process of life has started,by that when a women is pregnant.Even if it's only been a day,there's an actual human life on the line.
And that life should deserve respect.Whether the pregnancy is an accident or due to rape.

I do acknowledge it has to be hateful for a women to go through the entire process of pregnancy/giving birth if she doesn't even want the child or she has been raped.But is that a free pass to deny a life?My life?Your life?Would that have been reason enough for you to not exist?
People value their own life so much.With empathy you can understand why it's wrong.

That's where the government needs to step in.We would need the government to help the women out who are pregnant and don't want to keep the child.Those women should be forced by law to give birth,but through the pregnancy be supported and refunded for their investment.So that a life can be saved.The child would then be adopted.

Isn't that the right way?

[v2prwsmb45yhuq3wj23vpjk]

This kind of thinking leads you to extremely awkward conclusions, like masturbation vs. sex, masturbation is wrong because it denies potential futures, etc.

[Tradewind]

Yeah I give this about 1 page, maybe 1.5, before it implodes.

You mention that we should "consider who they might have been." What if Hitler was aborted...or if the unaborted child of someone turned into the next Idi Amin. Gotta take the good with the bad.

(Yeah I just 2 post Godwin'd this, deal with it)

[My Body is Ready]

tell that to the rape victim or young woman still in her teen years.

[Deleted]

It depends on the situation of the mother and father, although mostly the mother.

[Deleted]

This kind of thinking leads you to extremely awkward conclusions, like masturbation vs. sex, masturbation is wrong because it denies potential futures, etc.

It's true that we can think to the extreme,like ''for every couple that is not having sex now,a life is not being created'',but it's simple really.
The logic is only applied once an actual life is there,ready to arrive,once a women is pregnant.Once she is,it's a reality that a human life is on its way.

[Deleted]

Yeah I give this about 1 page, maybe 1.5, before it implodes.

Won't go further than 3 that's for sure.

[Catta]

If i had been aborted I would not have been able to comprehend my absence of existence.

I have no problem with abortion. Nor would i have a problem with performing them.

[Crashdummy]

It isnt about right or wrong.

Its about having the right to make the choice or not.

And i think women should have the right to decide it.

[Deleted]

Why would abortion be wrong?

[Deleted]

Destroying a clump of cells that could potentially be a person isn't murder. Otherwise wiping your nose is mass murder too. I think before there is brain activity it should be allowed without any questions asked.

[Tradewind]

I killed like 7.6 million kids last night.

[Rendia]

It depends on the situation of the mother and father, although mostly the mother.

I wouldn't say mostly, I would say more, and only because she has to carry the baby to term. I have a large dislike for people downplaying the role of a father when it comes to children and abortion.

[Catta]

I killed like 7.6 million kids last night.

Technically they were only half kids. So it would be 3,8 million

[Jagscorpion]

a couple of points.
A. sperm on its own has no chance of forming new life, however once it's united with an egg it has everything it needs to form a new human being (difference between masturbation and sex)
B. If sex creates life (which it does) the question is at what point does that life become valuable. Thus to many people the question IS one of right and wrong, because if that life is already valuable then the choice to destroy it is wrong.

[Catta]

I wouldn't say mostly, I would say more, and only because she has to carry the baby to term. I have a large dislike for people downplaying the role of a father when it comes to children and abortion.

Giving the father any say would deny the mother her autonomy.

[Notos]

If I had been aborted, there would be one less post in this thread, and nobody would ever know. Also, it's a silly thing to dwell on. For one, you yourself wouldn't care if you were aborted because you would have never existed. As for other people...maybe some are happier because of your existence, and maybe some would have been happier if you didn't exist. I like to think that it balances out.

On the issue as a whole, I think creating life just for the sake of creating it is wasteful and irresponsible, and abortion is the solution for people who are smart enough to realize they have made a mistake (in the case of unplanned pregnancies obviously).

[Gestopft]

This kind of thinking leads you to extremely awkward conclusions, like masturbation vs. sex, masturbation is wrong because it denies potential futures, etc.

Exactly: taken to its conclusion, we end up with the "Every Sperm is Sacred" model. You could very well argue that birth control and masturbation (for men) are both wrong due to the "Argument from Potential."

[Twotonsteak]

1. Woman should have the right to choose.
2. Woman who choose to have a late-term* abortion should be charged with murder.

*I define "late-term" as that time after which the fetus is viable outside of the mothers body as determined by science (and not religion). If a fetus has developed to the point at which it can survive outside of the mothers body then it goes from abortion to murder.

Make of that what you will.

[Tradewind]

Life becomes valuable when the little fucker gets a job.