Would you accept less raid content in exchange for no LFR?

[DeadmanWalking]

EDIT: THIS IS NOT AN ANTI-LFR POST!!!! The intention is to get LFR haters to recognise that having LFR in the game means that raid content gets raid content more resource development. LFR haters are constantly asking for the removal of LFR without realizing that they would be shooting their own content in the face. This Thread asks a question to illuminate the problem that removing LFR won't solve their problems but rather cause more harm to their content than good.

If Blizzard were to remove LFR from the game and make the raid content exclusive (The doorway would be guarded by the raid guilds to keep the bads out) then would you be willing to accept less raid content less often? I've asked this question in all the LFR hater threads and no one seems to want to answer it so I will place it here as a poll.

Currently Blizzard creates raid content with 12-14 bosses every 6 months. Then they test it in PTR and then release it. LFR takes up no resources as they just nerf the Raid content and then slap some beginning and end code between every 3-4 bosses, they dont even test it in PTR they just live release it.

Without LFR the 90% not in Raid Guilds will need content to keep them in the game so less resources will be used on the 10% that raid and they will get less raid bosses less often. So is 10 Raid bosses every 12 months acceptable in exchange for no LFR?

[Giants41]

LFR isn't that bad GAWD!!!

[DeadmanWalking]

LFR isn't that bad GAWD!!!

I'm not saying it is, I am asking a question that LFR haters to date refuse to answer. I want answers.

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Mind you 12-14 bosses every 6 months is 24-28 bosses every 12 months as opposed to 10-12 bosses every 12 months.

So LFR=24-28 Raid bosses a year
No LFR=10-12 Raid bosses a year.

[Lockula]

No that would be a horrible decision.

[Beroendet]

nope, i wouldnt.

[Deleted]

As a heroic raider I have to say LFR is the best thing to happen to WoW.
The raid content has never been so good throughout an entire expansion.

I don't mind spending a couple of weeks doing LFR along side heroic if it means the content we get continues being this good. People who dislike LFR can gtfo tbh.

[Irisel]

Why is this even a thing, it doesn't even make sense.............

[Aquamonkey]

Your premise is flawed. Just completely ignore Blizzard's statements that they've worked to expand their dev department and will soon be able to put out raids and 5mans without diminishing each other.

EDIT:

Overall I think we really need to get to a point where we can deliver a really epic raid the size of Throne of Thunder and an additional dungeon or two on the side. That's going to mean growing our team even more -- we're trying to grow it right now, and trying to make some smart production choices to make sure we have the bandwidth to do dungeons and raids simultaneously. (Source)

[Rucati]

As a heroic raider I have to say LFR is the best thing to happen to WoW.
The raid content has never been so good throughout an entire expansion.

I don't mind spending a couple of weeks doing LFR along side heroic if it means the content we get continues being this good. People who dislike LFR can gtfo tbh.

Have to agree here. LFR doesn't hurt people who raid 10/25mans, but it helps those who don't. I feel like it's a win/win. Casuals get to see all the content, and raiders get more content. I actually haven't seen a real negative yet.

[melodramocracy]

I'm not sure why there's some sudden insistence that LFR enables Blizzard to create more bosses.

If there was no LFR, I would just adapt, occasionally try to pug, or perhaps join a very relaxed pace guild (1 night / week.. if there is such a thing).

I'm glad it's in the game, and it's the only mode I've used this entire expansion. But it's also pretty clear that it has some negative effects on the playerbase as well as positives.

As far as the amount of content, quality > quantity in my eyes. I suspect that the playerbase would enjoy 2 seperate tiers of 6 bosses each just as much as they enjoy 1 tier of 12 bosses.

[Resentful]

That would be beyond awful like worst then awful decision that they can ever make.

[lawow74]

Just completely ignore Blizzard's statements that they've worked to expand their dev department and will soon be able to put out raids and 5mans without diminishing each other.

And you think that'll cause LFR to go away? Think again. They'll still develop LFR versions, and hopefully they'll keep making scenarios too.

[Deleted]

They are removing LFR you duffus, just taking it one step at a time... what do you think Flexi-raid is.

LFR is getting the 5man heroic treatment, you're just behind the times.

First it's going to become irrelevant, then when it's cut as a failed experiment you'll have an army of drones like yourself parroting "who cares, it's not like it's useful for anything".

I like how you made a non-bias opening post though
I'd like a reference on where they said that LFR is what's keeping the raiding content pipeline going.. I thought it was all the pet battles and stuff.

So it's Pet Battles = 10-12 bosses a year.
No Pet Battles = 20-28 bosses a year.

What say you we remove pet battles that's so many resources out of the encounter design department, they could be used for LFR.

[Kaleredar]

...and what would the "casuals" (the vast majority of the player base) do?

I'll answer that for you, they'd have nothing to do.

And what do players that have nothing to do... do?

They quit.


The notion that "removing LFR would magically let people find time to do real raids" is one that needs to die.

[ciggy]

nah, i dig LFR a great deal. It's so easy to gear up multiple characters.

I sure don't miss the raiding mentality, I never cared for depending on 24 other buggers for a shot at loot. I do miss the feel of a nice 10 man raiding team though. Just not the way of WOW anymore though.

[Aquamonkey]

And you think that'll cause LFR to go away? Think again. They'll still develop LFR versions, and hopefully they'll keep making scenarios too.

The OP is trying to assert that without LFR, raid development would crawl because the devs would be making dungeons. While in the past this was true, Blizzard has been expanding their dev teams so they can do both raids and dungeons without diminishing each other.

Scenarios have nothing to do with dungeon/raid development.

[Deleted]

no
I don't care about LFR and it doesn't bother me at all.

[Thelxi]

Yes. I am sick of trying to keep alts geared through LFR. I want dungeons back. I would gladly give up 3 bosses every tier for dungeons through which I can keep my alts geared at my own pace instead of LFR. Fuck weekly lockouts and 2 hours queues on alts.

[RicardoZ]

If you want less raid content and no LFR, then just don't run LFR and you'll kill both of those birds with one stone.

[Kaleredar]

The OP is trying to assert that without LFR, raid development would crawl because the devs would be making dungeons. While in the past this was true, Blizzard has been expanding their dev teams so they can do both raids and dungeons without diminishing each other.

Scenarios have nothing to do with dungeon/raid development.

Yet I ask you:

How can dungeons be easy enough to let raiders through without slowing them down on the path to raiding, yet challenging enough to keep players that can only do them interested in them for... well, an entire damn content patch.

How can the dungeons be rewarding enough to help get players into raiding at any point during the expansion, but still not "so rewarding" that they trump former raid tiers?