Windwalkers - State of DPS 5.4

[Deleted]

You can defiantly do 250k on a patchwerk fight in full BiS.

[Ragingbull]

I tend to agree with you, but there are a couple of things I think we need to consider that even though we're getting nerfed compared to live 10-20%, almost all classes are getting buffed a bit come 5.4, and benefit far greater throughout 5.4

Why?

Changes to RPPM trinkets. RPPM trinkets ALWAYS proc within the first 10 seconds now. Lust on the pull - we're now even further behind.

Any movement fights - almost all other classes have some form of sustained damage during movement. We do not. This is where even on light movement, SimC falls a bit behind.

The CD reduction trinket. This will ultimately put us the furthest behind. Combine that with how we essentially have a dead stat in Mastery, and every other class will scale significantly better than WW in 5.2

Just a couple of things to think about.

This is my point as well when most other classes are getting a dmg buff and scale better with gear than WW do. Why does blizz feel the need to chage us so drastically and put us in a place where we will get out dps by everyone again?

[Deleted]

This is my point as well when most other classes are getting a dmg buff and scale better with gear than WW do. Why does blizz feel the need to chage us so drastically and put us in a place where we will get out dps by everyone again?

Because they don't want to repeat the DK mistake Which pretty much means we will never be really good.

[Ragingbull]

Because they don't want to repeat the DK mistake Which pretty much means we will never be really good.

so they go to the other extreme?

[Saltycracker]

You can defiantly do 250k on a patchwerk fight in full BiS.

Alright Babe Ruth, call your shot Tortos without touching the bats, go.

[Adornus]

Alright Babe Ruth, call your shot Tortos without touching the bats, go.

Honestly, that's actually not bad at all. You see close to that on a lot of fights. Twins and Durumuu for sure, and excluding fights like Ji Kun and Jin Rokh (which absolutely dominate that).

[Saltycracker]

Honestly, that's actually not bad at all. You see close to that on a lot of fights. Twins and Durumuu for sure, and excluding fights like Ji Kun and Jin Rokh (which absolutely dominate that).

Twins and Durumu both have adds that get cleaved down. Most the top parses (including Pats) have a lot of RJW and SCK damage in them, and they are close to what SimC is telling us.

Also keep in mind that SimC is an iterative solution, meaning it runs our rotation thousands of times, and then takes the average of all of them as result. If the average model result is greater than the tail of what's happening in reality, the model needs to be adjusted somewhat.

[Callimonk]

I think you need to double check SimC. I compiled the dev version and the Chi spending rate was the same with/without the 4pc bonus, and the "Focus of Xuen" wasn't getting picked up in the dynamic buffs list, yet I see it in the codebase. If you are getting <1k DPS difference, that sounds like standard deviation error more than a bad bonus.



254k DPS seems a little excessive live, especially since I don't think there are any single WOL logs that come even anywhere close to that number in a single target scenario. My SimC shows me 244k with a default action list (Light Movement, Good skill) and that even sounds like an outlier. I'd put the number closer to 235k on live for a human with great RNG luck.

Dropping the same profile into Dev SimC (2pT15) I get 220k DPS. So the mastery change was about an 11% or 24k damage nerf from live to current PTR comparing PTR and live SimC.

Tier bonuses are roughly the same % bonus tier to tier, so swapping T15 and T16 is a wash. The main benefit of T16 bonuses is the ilvl of the gear upgrades.

Nothing else has changed on the PTR save a probable buff to Xuen (which isnt showing up in SimC yet), and the RJW change. None of our attacks have been touched, only the mastery has changed between then and now.

I've always simmed as 258K live, but typically end up around 220-245k on single-target. Of course, we don't have any "real" patchwerk fights, so hard to say (I think my record on Jinrokh was something like 350k, with a death at the end?)

Eein showed me how to do a console log that showed that the 10 stacks were being used, and the buff SHOULD be acting applied. I'll try to hit you ingame today if I have time and we can go over results etc. Also, your DPS will be higher than mine due to dual TF weapons and slightly better gear - upon running the sims, I was barely 545 (woo got showered in gear last night!).

[kamuimac]

Why does blizz feel the need to chage us so drastically and put us in a place where we will get out dps by everyone again?

cause WW are like MM hunters aparently this expansion -_- lets hope we get more luck in 6.0 -_-

[Saltycracker]

Eein showed me how to do a console log that showed that the 10 stacks were being used, and the buff SHOULD be acting applied. I'll try to hit you ingame today if I have time and we can go over results etc. Also, your DPS will be higher than mine due to dual TF weapons and slightly better gear - upon running the sims, I was barely 545 (woo got showered in gear last night!).

Sounds good. We might be simming with different settings then. I use the "Good" skill level so that SimC doesn't trip over itself with haste, and "Light Movement" to account for times when you have to chase after things and energy cap in addition to using personal CDs like Diffuse Magic and such. If you, Ein and I could hang out in mumble that would be cool for debugging this 4pc.

[xinjun]

Windwalker nerfed? And Assassination actually massively buffed? What the fuck are they smoking?

As I said in my raid Mumble last night, "I must assume that someone on the Bliz dev team goes home and masturbates to Rogues all night."

[Deleted]

Alright Babe Ruth, call your shot Tortos without touching the bats, go.

Give me BiS and no turtles

But yeah I think its fine to assume we do around 230-240k on single target.

[keithioapc]

250k single tar is pretty reasonable.

Here is 265k on Gara'jal 10H http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/4...220#Janxspirit
255k on LFR durumu http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/v...347#Janxspirit
also 255k on H durumu (harder due to more time lost soaking drain plus zen meding parasites) http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/b...213#Janxspirit
here is 292k on tortos with no bat AoE http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-ud...?s=2389&e=2689 , but note that tortos gets a debuff that gives him increased damage. In this log he had 44.7% uptime on it, so realistically if you factor it out I did more like 292/(.447*1.5+(1-.447)) = 237k. Darn turtles/stuns.

[Deleted]

So what about Agility in our stat priorities?

[NeverStop]

Give me BiS and no turtles

But yeah I think its fine to assume we do around 230-240k on single target.

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-iz...?s=4961&e=5277

This was when I was 535 ilvl with a 536 weapon and a 530 Rune. 536 -> 549 MH should yield at least a 10% DPS increase.

We do good single target DPS assuming 0 downtime because unlike other classes we don't have DoTs and our cooldowns don't recover during downtime. (Best Assassination Rogue fight would be 30 seconds of DPS, 2.5 min boss immune, 30 seconds of DPS, 2.5 min boss immune, repeat.)

[Jayma]

Alright Babe Ruth, call your shot Tortos without touching the bats, go.

I usually agree with you, but 250k is certainly achievable with modest luck. Not sure why you would pick Tortos either.

[Stuffs]

I've been hiding in my cave for a while, where did they post the tier changes on the forums? Can't find it.
Or are you guys just looking at the PTR and noticing changes

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I usually agree with you, but 250k is certainly achievable with modest luck. Not sure why you would pick Tortos either.

Some guilds kite instead of kill. My previous guild did that because fuck if I know.

With that strat, it's probably the purest patchwerk for melee anyways, unless you were one of the people who would spam thrash and such when they passed by when the tank was kiting.

[Saltycracker]

I usually agree with you, but 250k is certainly achievable with modest luck. Not sure why you would pick Tortos either.

I was a space cadet and forgot the cracked shell debuff that he has, so that skews the target a bit. That happens when I post from my phone. I guess Durumu normal would be the closest to a Patchwerk assuming you didn't get Gaze, Life Drain, and got lucky attacking from the front during maze.

@ People linking 250k logs, cool story bro. You either had better than average procs and crits, or the stars aligned in some way where you did that amount of damage. Possible? Yes. Skilled? Absolutely. Representative of SimC DPS targets? Not really. All these logs are in the tail of what is possible, where SimC is simulating an average/median number.

[Adornus]

Anyone got a WW PTR stream going?

[Callimonk]

Anyone got a WW PTR stream going?

Mine is currently going. I should be doing all of the testing today.

During test: it seems that my numbers are strong at 520 ilevel. But what will they look like at 550? I wonder.