Why are Alliance just so God awful at strands of the ancients?

[Shockzalot]

I'm down to my last achievement needed to complete Battlemaster which is the veteran achievement to win 100 games of strands. I've strictly queued for it 3 consecutive days and managed to win 8 games out of 40+ played. I tried to form 5 man groups with friends and after 1-2 games they had enough, because 5 people can't overcome the badness of alliance in that battleground. I don't know what is so complex about peeling your team's demos or focusing enemy demos and getting the hell off of the beach after a gate is destroyed to protect the next gate/gy flag but it's just amazing how bad the alliance are at one of the simplest non 40 man battlegrounds there is. When it would come up on random I just wanted to smash my head off the wall, but now I have to queue it over and over and over if I want that Battlemaster title.

[Deleted]

I think you just got unlucky. Then again I hate that bg from the bottom of my soul. Disregarding player skill differences between the teams, my team always seems to consist of cc light, healer light teams whereas the enemy seems to have more healers and the most retarded amount of mages/rogues I ever saw. That bg just favors cc heavy classes so much over cc light classes it's not even funny. But trust me, when playing on horde chars I still run into the same problem for some reason.

[Decorpse]

Same reason as why horde is so bad at IoC and AV? Just the way it is.

[Kaykay]

ever since i could veto bg's, strand and gilneas have always been vetoed. So well, i'm not there to carry your sorry asses <3

[Kaleredar]

They just want to zerg horde. That's all ally ever want to do in the battleground.

Right at the start, people will give a cursory look at a demo, and then start attacking any horde around them while the demolishers roll free to the gates. And then they'll stay fighting on the beach, trying to kill that one hpally or blood DK who just wont die while the demolishers continue on to the yellow gate. It's embarrassing and sad. It isn't a "difficult" battleground in the slightest.

[Coldhearth]

Not defending SoTA because it's an absolute shitpile, but go read the patch notes.

They are changing the way the BG works.

[Thirteen]

Same reason as why horde is so bad at IoC and AV? Just the way it is.

This was going to be my exact response. You should be happy you're only bad at SotA. Horde sucks at every other battleground (most notable IoC).

[Invictus9001]

Why are Alliance just so God awful at strands of the ancients?

Alliance players ask, "Why are Alliance just so God awful at strands of the ancients?"
Horde players ask, "Why are Horde just so God awful at strands of the ancients?"

The answer is simple: It's not the faction that's awful - it's the other individuals not performing basic BG tactics relative to (in this case) Strand of the Ancients. You may find some random players who actually have a clue what to do in most (or all) the BGs.. but you're also as likely to find people who either don't know WTF they are doing or are too busy getting high/trolling the BGs (etc etc) to give a crap about performing properly.

Just suck it up and keep getting back in the que.. or.. form your own group and go in with friends/guildmates. If you seriously want the achievement(s), those are your choices.

[Deleted]

They just want to zerg horde. That's all ally ever want to do in the battleground.

My experience is that for some reason horde usually likes to just group zerg alliance and attempt gy camping while ignoring objects, while alliance tend to run more solo and you usually always see at least a couple going for objectives.

I pretty much win SotA every other game as alliance.

[Yvaelle]

I'm pretty sure SotA was one of the few battlegrounds Alliance win more often than they lose globally? AV, WSG, IoC and SotA leaned toward Alliance victories I thought. It's obviously going to be different for every battlegroup, and since you are the common denominator between your consistently losing SotA's - it could be that you are doing the wrong objectives? (no offense, it just turns out to be the case fairly often when people make these posts)

It's all about CC'ing enemy DPS, going where the enemy team is not - and just getting through the initial push - once you get a lead through the gates its often GG very quickly. Alternately - defending is all about very early CC of the demolishers - once that first initial push is lost the whole game drags out and defense almost always wins a long game.

Hilariously - a BG consisting entirely of ShS rogues can grab bombs, step up to the turrets to pass each door - and bomb the keep door in a single pass - all inside a minute - and without anyone on either side firing a shot.

[Dabrix32]

Horde Demos go faster and cant be snared

[Korgoth]

Alliance arent any better or worse at SoTa. Playing Alliance in Cata, i saw no real difference in every random game except for AV.

The better question is why doesnt Blizzard delete Strand of the Ancients? I have yet to find a single person who wouldn't blacklist it if they could 3 maps. It's bad enough with AV and IoC, and that god awful new one where the idiots decided to put 3 nodes in a row!

WoW PvP could do with a lot more maps based around proven good archetypes, AB/WSG, and a deletion of these "lets try something different" abortions.

[Verain]

Alliance loses SoTa more than it wins. All BGs are alliance losing ones except for the 40 man ones, though the loss ratios aren't as bad as you might expect based on the volume of tears (except for the mine-cart one- there we even have data from RBGs to show it's such a horde favorite it's dumb).

On all my characters I blacklist the mine cart one. It's entirely unplayable without a premade. My second one is actually Sota on my alts that need honor (on my main I like Sota just fine). Sota is annoying because people do the wrong thing, don't dispel, give up, get farmed. It's a very picky BG, and I find myself unable to help much unless I'm fully geared. I had like 8 losses in a row on my mage alt and I was like "man, screw this noise!".

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And for what it is worth, I really like both AV and Isle. Alliance focuses there and actually tries to win, even as pugs. Those two rock.

[FenrisUy]

Not defending SoTA because it's an absolute shitpile, but go read the patch notes.

They are changing the way the BG works.

Those changes suck!

[Celawien]

Every BG I've been in I've seen that Alliance dominates AV and IoC. But Horde seems to dominate WSG and ToK. Mostly every other one is about 50/50. Some days are better then others.

[Zeusy]

Is there any real point to these type of threads =/? It's all based on who you end up playing with and it can go either way with every bg.

[Dumaw]

Sadly, its not just at strands of the ancients, its on every BG except AV and IoC.

[Deleted]

Pyjama (Alliance)
Battlegrounds played - 495
Battlegrounds won - 351
Strand of the Ancients battles - 43
Strand of the Ancients victories - 31

Obviously factions suck, not the players.

[Tya]

AV, WSG, IoC and SotA leaned toward Alliance victories I thought.

Really? I have a 70-80% win ratio as Horde in WSG and TP, and I pretty much always solo queue. Not that anecdotal evidence means much, but I'd be surprised if it turned out that my "free win" bg turned out to be Alliance-favoured.

Hilariously - a BG consisting entirely of ShS rogues can grab bombs, step up to the turrets to pass each door - and bomb the keep door in a single pass - all inside a minute - and without anyone on either side firing a shot.

Pretty sure that was fixed within a month of release.

[Dumaw]

Pyjama (Alliance)
Battlegrounds played - 495
Battlegrounds won - 351
Strand of the Ancients battles - 43
Strand of the Ancients victories - 31

Obviously factions suck, not the players.

Whats your battlegroup?