question to all the blood tanks

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im currently sitting on 519 ilvl gear when i raid i can get to around 60k on bosses if we get a bunch of trash ( actually alot) it tends to go 600k (gogo vengeance)
is 60k low or? been playing tank DK sinds wrath but i cant seem to let go when im 7-10e on the meters

this is my armory
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ldarian/simple

[Deleted]

im currently sitting on 519 ilvl gear when i raid i can get to around 60k on bosses if we get a bunch of trash ( actually alot) it tends to go 600k (gogo vengeance)
is 60k low or? been playing tank DK sinds wrath but i cant seem to let go when im 7-10e on the meters

this is my armory
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ldarian/simple

I'm sitting on 518ilvl, and when soloing rares/warbringer (ONLY self buffed) i do around...55k-63k dps.

Ofc, some of the rares have small hp pools and ide fast etc, but this is when i have army on cd etc. so i would call it my "normal" dps.

My dk is my alt, so i don't raid with him on a "normal mode heroic mode" raiding scenario.

Hope i could give you some numbers to compare it to.

mydk:

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...lebujas/simple

[chibichibiko]

This really depends on if you're raiding 10 or 25.
It sounds low to me for 10, where you should be stacking more dps stats to help your raid push through adds/phases faster. However, the low number probably has a lot more to do with your vengeance level and uptime (if you don't have any, something's wrong), how much time you spend in the fluidity pools, and whether you game any vengeance if your healers are comfortable. If it's 60k on horridon, that's very low if it's anywhere past door 1. There's a lot of adds on that fight such that everything should have your diseases on it most of the time and you'll have reasonably high vengeance most of the time too.

[Deleted]

This really depends on if you're raiding 10 or 25.
It sounds low to me for 10, where you should be stacking more dps stats to help your raid push through adds/phases faster. However, the low number probably has a lot more to do with your vengeance level and uptime (if you don't have any, something's wrong), how much time you spend in the fluidity pools, and whether you game any vengeance if your healers are comfortable. If it's 60k on horridon, that's very low if it's anywhere past door 1. There's a lot of adds on that fight such that everything should have your diseases on it most of the time and you'll have reasonably high vengeance most of the time too.

to be honest my guild is at a very low motivation for raiding cant seem to find some more ppl we have about 83 account in guild atm but even some players admit that they are afraid of raiding so havent seen much of ToT and to pug you need that damn achie im RL and GM in guild but my patience has gone from juppie to raid cancceled

[PowerGamez]

Push more buttons?

You should be pulling minimum ~80-100K at that gear level.

[TwentyTwelve]

I haven't played blood at all really except for normals in pugs/helping a mate, but i can pull 80k stable + at 500ish ilvl but that's cause well partly anyway - cause i gear differently.

i.m.o get rid off the parry/dodge gear it does nothing.
So E.G. Instead of buying the parry/hit neck from valor vendor - buy the haste mastery one - you can reforge for hit if needed (you're already over anyway) and mastery is your main stat with haste being both a dps and a small survival stat.

Also i would probably get rid of the shado pan trinket - Depending if you die a lot etc... I'd probably go with something like the vendor trinket (expertise + str proc) or something like spark trinket from horridon. Again... Depends on playstyle but the stam + on use mastery is overkill i.m.o if you just plan for raiding 10 man.

Also if you wanna increase your dps more, get rid of the stamina enchants - e.g. - gloves, chest, cloak- you could even replace the shoulder/leg enchants with the dps version (again depends on if your doing 10s or 25s... and if you die a lot etc)
Replace the stam enchants for something like hit on cloak / stats on chest, that way you don't have to focus on reforging for hit if your under after replacing parry/dodge parts and can reforge to haste which will both increase dps + small survival boost.

Last thing i can check which is probably a major dps loss - you have engineering but no synapse springs on gloves - it's a lot of str every 1 min.

So yeah basically get rid of parry/dodge gear - the tanking days of using avoidance stats are gone for majority of every fight.
Go for Mastery / haste it'll be better for both dps and surviving.

[Deleted]

Push more buttons?

You should be pulling minimum ~80-100K at that gear level.

never seen a blood dk pulling 100k single target

[shells]

First thing I notice is the gear. I don't know what your healers are like, but all that avoidance gear is certainly having an effect. If survival isn't an issue you should drop the avoidance gear, get mastery to where you feel comfortable, and get more haste. Put fallen crusader on your weapon and get dps trinkets. I'll also assume that you aren't button mashing and spending death runes on heart strike. Also, don't gem stam in a prismatic socket unless you NEED effective health. Otherwise get something more useful in there. Try runic corruption out if you haven't already.

Unrelated tip: if you're not happy with raid performance join a guild that better suits your needs. Don't let other people hold you back.

[Nillo]

never seen a blood dk pulling 100k single target

Lfr is not a good place to judge the dps a class can do....

[Deleted]

First thing I notice is the gear. I don't know what your healers are like, but all that avoidance gear is certainly having an effect. If survival isn't an issue you should drop the avoidance gear, get mastery to where you feel comfortable, and get more haste. Put fallen crusader on your weapon and get dps trinkets. I'll also assume that you aren't button mashing and spending death runes on heart strike. Also, don't gem stam in a prismatic socket unless you NEED effective health. Otherwise get something more useful in there. Try runic corruption out if you haven't already.

Unrelated tip: if you're not happy with raid performance join a guild that better suits your needs. Don't let other people hold you back.

i dont die mostly and the guild thing most of m friends and family are in it and i dont want to let em down i would love to get 12/12 ToT but...
so change some trinkets the meta gem and maybe shoulder enchant to DPS one? maybe change gems to

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Lfr is not a good place to judge the dps a class can do....

in lfr you can get 500k with ease on large pulls so indeed not the correct place

[Tehterokkar]

Push more buttons?

You should be pulling minimum ~80-100K at that gear level.

Sure I can go on my DK and put my Full DPS set on and go to LFR and smash the meters, but I have no need for LFR anymore. HC Scenarios as Blood with DPS gear is so much faster Valor.

[shells]

i dont die mostly and the guild thing most of m friends and family are in it and i dont want to let em down i would love to get 12/12 ToT but...
so change some trinkets the meta gem and maybe shoulder enchant to DPS one? maybe change gems to

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Since you don't have the legendary gem yet you can swap to the dps one. Important thing is that you can't prioritize dps over survival, so make sure heals can keep up. Also noticed you have the Cata leg enchant, you should get the MoP one.

[Deleted]

Since you don't have the legendary gem yet you can swap to the dps one. Important thing is that you can't prioritize dps over survival, so make sure heals can keep up. Also noticed you have the Cata leg enchant, you should get the MoP one.

omg thx for noticing that enchant mistake i have no idea how i did that

[Forgettable]

never seen a blood dk pulling 100k single target

Really? I do it all the time. Normal modes or LFR, I'm doing approximately 150k dps per fight.

[Deleted]

Really? I do it all the time. Normal modes or LFR, I'm doing approximately 150k dps per fight.

so 150k dps per fight? you have to go further out on the contry side with that one :P

[Flyin]

Push more buttons?

You should be pulling minimum ~80-100K at that gear level.

you should add more backup if thats how you put it,seems like you don't know what you're talking about

[Nillo]

you should add more backup if thats how you put it,seems like you don't know what you're talking about

Like those bazillion logs with tanks dealing way more than 100k dps single target?
It's more like you and the OP don't know what you're talking about.

[PowerGamez]

you should add more backup if thats how you put it,seems like you don't know what you're talking about

Simple answer to a simple question. I assume people already know the basics when they ask questions here.

If he had provided logs, I could of given more advice. I originally said 80-100K dps minimum because I looked at some screen shots when I was tanking the first night ToT was released. I was doing ~110K dps @ 510 ilvl - single target on non cheese fights.

He wants to get to 12/12 normal. Considering his gear level, I highly doubt changing gems/chants/reforging is going to get him there.

[Irefusetodie]

I pull ~100k on farm fights with next to no vengeance in my full tank set, granted that my dps meta is like 8-10% of that dps.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...todie/advanced

[Lukazor]

I'm setup like this atm

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...lybeans/simple

2 DPS trinkets, DPS meta and reforged into 14% haste. Last night I did 168k dps on Twin Consorts - I was solo tanking mind you, 139k on Primordius and last Lei Shen kill I opened with 198k dps but of course it leveled out and I finished at around 100-110k - Just some examples there.

Prior to using DPS trinkets, meta and reforging to haste I was doing around 60-80k DPS just to put it into perspective.