Did the Rebels (Not Assad) use Chemical Weapons in Syria? And does Obama know it?

[Rajadog20]

Recent news of a chemical weapons attack in Syria smacks of desperation. The question comes down to who is most desperate right now, the Assad regime or the Muslim Brotherhood rebels? Consider that since June, Assad’s forces have been winning. According to a CBS News report from last month, victories for the rebels had become “increasingly rare” and that the Muslim Brotherhood-backed opposition fighters were sustaining “some of their heaviest losses” near Damascus.

https://www.facebook.com/video/embed...17407355071464 (Video showing Rebels using Nerve Agents)

http://shoebat.com/2013/08/27/eviden...ons-not-assad/

After reading this, it becomes pretty clear that the Rebels were the ones who used the Chemical weapons, and that the rebels aren't the goody-goods that the UN likes to make them out to be. Much, if not all of the opposition are Muslim Brotherhood/ Al' Qaeda. Just like in Egypt, it seems that they will try to take power again, and we will most likely support them.

The main problem I have is that we are support the terrorist organization who orchestrated the worst terrorist attack on US soil ever, and Obama is in full support of them. He helped them get power in Egypt, and wouldn't renounce his support even as they tried to start a civil war against the military after their leader was ousted. And he is most likely going to support them again in Syria. So basically, from what I can tell, we have a president who is using the strength of the largest military in the world to support a terrorist organization hell-bent on our destruction?

I honestly don't know. All that I can make of this is that it looks like the Rebels were the ones who used the Chemical Weapons, and Obama is fully supporting them.

What do you guys think?

[Deleted]

I do not trust either side, I say we let them deal with this civil war on their own.

[Rajadog20]

I do not trust either side, I say we let them deal with this civil war on their own.

Yea, I don't think we should just go in and support assad (doesn't he have links to Iran?), but we sure as hell can't support the terrorists...

[Skroe]

Launching air strikes against Assad in no way shape or form means we're supporting "the terrorists", which in any event are a minority of the Syrian rebels, which again, in any event, we're barely supporting anyway.

[Unclekreepy]

I said this since this hit the news.. was telling everyone "I wouldn't be surprised if the rebels used the gas just to get the world to hate the syrian govt."

[LilSaihah]

I said this since this hit the news.. was telling everyone "I wouldn't be surprised if the rebels used the gas just to get the world to hate the syrian govt."

I wouldn't be surprised if noone used the gas, and America is just saying gas was used so they have an excuse to go in there! /tinfoilhat

Seriously, though, shit's fucked. Should just stay out of there.

[Invection]

Contrary to mass media and popular belief saddam had WMD's, the answer was yes. Not the WMD's the media likes to shine its light on, but ICBM Aluminum casings, Chemical Weapon Warheads, Sarin, Mustard gas (though nothing like the stockpiles he had in 91), we even found 1.8 tons of partially enriched uranium (Enriched enough to make a nuclear bomb) along with a 1000 tons of non enriched uranium. We found many items or weapon components outlawed by the UN as well as the facility's to make them. All of the commercial chemical makers in Iraq were found to be producing dual use chemicals like N,N-Dicyclohexyl carbodiimide AKA DCC which is used as a stabilizer for VX gas but almost never used commercially because it is so toxic. Though no known commercial use or buyer was listed for these chemicals they were made in quantity. We also found cyclosarin and organophosphates. In case your not familiar with Organophosphates its known to be a pesticide but also a chemical weapon but because it's a pesticide in commercial application it retains some form of deniability.We never found a weaponized nuclear war head but we pretty much found all the parts including the uranium to make one.
-----------As far as Syria goes, I am aware that Assad's top chemical weapon guy defected to the rebels. Their are many videos like this one on the internet where the rebels show they have the materials and capability to use these chemical weapons. http://youtu.be/YPH-BfKoCr0 is one such video. You can see them killing a rabbit with a smoky like substance at the end. They also show that they have chemical warheads and the chemicals to make chemical weapons. Along side that, Syria is one of the largest if not the largest holder of chemical weapon stockpiles. Saddam Hussien's Generals had stated that prior to the invasion they had shipped most of their WMD weapons to syria in the guise of humanitarian aide after the syrian earthquake. Their is definitely enough chemical weapons laying around for these guys to get their hands on it. Most of the rebel fighters are actually Al-Qaeda fighters who believe in the use of Murran? It is a part of the quaran that talks about muslims killing muslims. It is ok in their religion to kill women and children if the muslims or non believers are using them as a shield. I believe it is called Murran? God will sort out the dead as they say. I find it hard to believe that Assad having gained a huge momentum against the rebels would suddenly start gassing people and bring down loads of international hell upon his head. UN reports are coming in that suggest that it may have been the rebels as well. Their is also some conspiracy theories floating around about leaked documents from Britam defense. They are one of the largest private military contractors in the world. In a discussion of emails, a "False Flag" chemical attack was discussed and apparently approved by washington. This hack was done back in january of this year. https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums...defence-hacked
-----------On another note, it has not been widely advertised in american media but russia just went from Local War to Regional War operational status and to be “fully prepared” to expand to Large-Scale War should either the US or EU enter into the Syrian Civil War. Zaslon Special Forces or russia's navy seal version of special forces has entered into Syria. Russia has stated that any attack on Syria is the same as an attack on Russia herself. Putin threatened that if America, France, or UK intervenes in Syria he will attack suadi Arabia. China and Iran are also back this up apparently so there's a real possibility that any american intervention could potentially start will world war 3.

[Deleted]

I wouldn't be surprised if noone used the gas, and America is just saying gas was used so they have an excuse to go in there! /tinfoilhat

Seriously, though, shit's fucked. Should just stay out of there.

Something has to be done. It doesnt really matter if it was the syrian government or the rebels who used the gas, noone should use it at all. Question is, does the help or action taken have to be military?

[Elegiac]

I wouldn't be surprised if noone used the gas, and America is just saying gas was used so they have an excuse to go in there! /tinfoilhat

Seriously, though, shit's fucked. Should just stay out of there.

Exactly what does the US have to benefit by going in there, according to you?

[LilSaihah]

Something has to be done. It doesnt really matter if it was the syrian government or the rebels who used the gas, noone should use it at all. Question is, does the help or action taken have to be military?

Why does something HAVE to be done? Is the world going to implode if we don't? Is the ozone layer going to be replaced by these chemical weapons and we're all gonna die? Will Syria eventually give the go-ahead to create a black hole to wipe out the rebels? Why do we NEED to go there?

Exactly what does the US have to benefit by going in there, according to you?

Build up for going into Iran.

[Invection]

Exactly what does the US have to benefit by going in there, according to you?

Qatar has one of the hugest gas reserves in the world. Currently, Russia is the primary supplier of gas to the EU, putin has a chokehold on the EU but this pipeline could realistically be a huge US interest as well as a EU interest.

[Elegiac]

Why does something HAVE to be done? Is the world going to implode if we don't? Is the ozone layer going to be replaced by these chemical weapons and we're all gonna die? Will Syria eventually give the go-ahead to create a black hole to wipe out the rebels? Why do we NEED to go there?

It's a good question.

The answer is to demonstrate that there is a no-tolerance policy for the use of chemical weapons.

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Qatar has one of the hugest gas reserves in the world. Currently, Russia is the primary supplier of gas to the EU, put has a chokehold but this pipeline could realistically be a huge US interest.

The US doesn't need oil or gas from the Middle East.

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Build up for going into Iran.

And why the hell do you think going into Syria accomplishes anything to that end?

We do not need to get Syria in order to go into Iran. We don't even need to go into Iran ourselves. All we need to do is give Israel the green light to deal with Iran's nuclear facilities and it's a done deal.

[Kraenen]

I do not trust either side, I say we let them deal with this civil war on their own.

who's them? the people who are inside an arbitrary line that doesn't really exist?

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It's a good question.

The answer is to demonstrate that there is a no-tolerance policy for the use of chemical weapons.

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The US doesn't need oil or gas from the Middle East.

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And why the hell do you think going into Syria accomplishes anything to that end?

We do not need to get Syria in order to go into Iran. We don't even need to go into Iran ourselves. All we need to do is give Israel the green light to deal with Iran's nuclear facilities and it's a done deal.

You ALWAYS need more money.

[Elegiac]

who's them? the people who are inside an arbitrary line that doesn't really exist?

Them, being Syrians.

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You ALWAYS need more money.

And going into Syria would cost vastly more than would be gained.

[LilSaihah]

The US doesn't need oil or gas from the Middle East.

It needs to deny sales in non-US currency. blah blah petrodollar

And why the hell do you think going into Syria accomplishes anything to that end?

We do not need to get Syria in order to go into Iran. We don't even need to go into Iran ourselves. All we need to do is give Israel the green light to deal with Iran's nuclear facilities and it's a done deal.

Well, attacking Syria is probably a good spit-test for whether you can attack Iran without waking up Russia.

What constitutes "dealing with"? If they're going to do some kind of covert attack on Iran's nuclear facilities, wouldn't Iran get kind of pissed and if Syria isn't dealt with, Mahmoudinejad would get Assad on the phone and "ey mate let's fuck these jews up" and Assad would be all like "sick". As I understand, Iran getting into a snot-flinging contest with Israel would draw the US in, and the US getting involved would draw Russia in, and then we're pretty much in WW3.

[Deleted]

Why does something HAVE to be done? Is the world going to implode if we don't? Is the ozone layer going to be replaced by these chemical weapons and we're all gonna die? Will Syria eventually give the go-ahead to create a black hole to wipe out the rebels? Why do we NEED to go there?

Yeah well lets just sit down and roll our thumbs while the world goes to hell. Im not sure you are serious but, im pretty sure massmurder with chemical weapons is something that has to be stopped at any cost. Im not saying USA has to do something about it, im just saying SOMETHING needs to happen.

I mean, what if its the syrian government that decided the use of chemical weapons on rebels was authorized and that if a few hundred civilians got caught in the crossfire wouldnt really matter. What says that they will not continue killing off civilians with even worse weapons? What if someone gets a hold of a dirty bomb or something? I mean they already crossed the line with chemical weapons, what could be worse than that?

Obviously alot more things but i hope u catch my drift.

[Elegiac]

It needs to deny sales in non-US currency. blah blah petrodollar

Petrodollars are a conspiracy theory and have no basis in reality.

Well, attacking Syria is probably a good spit-test for whether you can attack Iran without waking up Russia.

What constitutes "dealing with"? If they're going to do some kind of covert attack on Iran's nuclear facilities, wouldn't Iran get kind of pissed and if Syria isn't dealt with, Mahmoudinejad would get Assad on the phone and "ey mate let's fuck these jews up" and Assad would be all like "sick". As I understand, Iran getting into a snot-flinging contest with Israel would draw the US in, and the US getting involved would draw Russia in, and then we're pretty much in WW3.

There is no spit test required. Russia is in no way stupid enough to risk direct confrontation with the US and subsequently NATO over a tinpot state like Syria or Iran.

[LilSaihah]

Petrodollars are a conspiracy theory and have no basis in reality.

Errr. Petrodollars as the motive for American intervention is a conspiracy theory, or that the petrodollar system itself is a conspiracy theory? I'm pretty sure it does actually exist.

There is no spit test required. Russia is in no way stupid enough to risk direct confrontation with the US and subsequently NATO over a tinpot state like Syria or Iran.

Then why isn't America in Iran like five years ago? Get in there, wreck shit, done. No problem. Just get it over with already and invade the both of them.

[Elegiac]

Errr. Petrodollars as the motive for American intervention is a conspiracy theory, or that the petrodollar system itself is a conspiracy theory? I'm pretty sure it does actually exist.

Petrodollars exist insofar as people use USD to buy oil. If Britain was a superpower, it would be called Petropounds.

Then why isn't America in Iran like five years ago? Get in there, wreck shit, done. No problem. Just get it over with already and invade the both of them.

Why?

Because it looks bad smacking down a third world country with impunity.

[LilSaihah]

Petrodollars exist insofar as people use USD to buy oil. If Britain was a superpower, it would be called Petropounds.

So the first one. I'm kind of skeptical that America's sticking its fingers into so many middle eastern pies out of the goodness of its heart considering the sanctions dropped on Iraq after the first Gulf War.

Why?

Because it looks bad smacking down a third world country with impunity.

That hasn't really stopped them before. There's that whole second gulf war episode about whether Hussein had/was building WMDs, I'm not sure whether the Gulf of Tonkin was a false flag though there seems to be strong evidence to indicate it, etc. I haven't looked too much into them, but seems like it'd be pretty easy to set up a fake chemical attack to justify going to war with Syria if they have an ulterior motive.